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yankeeflyer72

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Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/27/2005 03:07:26 PM
I`m looking for info on the B-29, "Ramp Queen", V-Square-5.  A friend of my father`s served aboard this aircraft as a tailgunner.  He was part of the original crew that picked up the plane new in '44 and flew to Saipan where they did their tour and returned to the states in '45.  The crew of this aircraft was awarded 2 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and 4 Bronze Combat Battle Stars.  After the original crew completed their tour and left for the states, the aircraft was taken over by another crew.  This aircraft was shot down over Tokyo on May 25, '45 with ALL crewmembers lost.  I am looking for info, pics, etc. of the original crew of "Ramp Queen", as well as the second crew.  They are all gone now but their deeds live on.  Thank you for any info you might have.
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/27/2005 03:25:37 PM
Kevin....This is from Bob Mann's The B-29 Superfortress :

42-63513   Ramp Queen  K TRI 7  (1) Assigned 11/30/44 505BG  OFF Inventory  1/00/45  Tran 498th BG

42-63513  Ramp Queen  V Sq-5 (2)  Assigned 1/00/45  499BG Off Inventory 5/25/45  Shot Down Tokyo.

Jim :-)
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/29/2005 07:42:40 AM
Yankee Flyer 72,
The original V Sq 5 was named Tokyo Twister, 42-24682. This aircraft was salvaged after a hard landing 1/27/45 the crew moving to V Sq 3. Burkett was AC and Vic Rake(sp) was tailgunner.
The replacement aircraft was named Ramp Queen, 42,63513, Burrell as AC with no other crew members listed. Lost 5/26/45. The replacement for this aircraft was 44-70199. It returned to the states.
So.... If you can get me the original AC or SN I will try find a pic for you. Am attaching a pic of 42-24682.
Good luck in your search,
Bill Copeland
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/29/2005 08:58:55 AM
Kevin,
 
See attachment for reference to Missing Air Crew Report (MACR) 14512 recording the loss of Ramp Queen.
 
Take what you like and leave the rest....
 
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/29/2005 09:19:38 AM
Kevin,
 
What was you friend's father's name?
 
Andy
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 11/30/2005 12:34:46 AM
Hello Bill,

First off let me say I have been an avid follower of the CAF since the late 60`s.  Made my first trip to Harlingen in '71 and again in '82.

The crew of the "Ramp Queen" that my father`s friend was a part of as tailgunner were in the 877th sqd. and consisted of P.K. Sloan, G.S. Tallha, J.J. Beck, M.R. Ehlers, L.F. Covi, R.L. Fodse, E.E. White, G.R. Wilkens, E.I. Kozlowski, L.G. Stertz, and Archie Hamrick(tailgunner).  This info comes from a crew picture that was given to me by Mrs. Hamrick.  The aircraft positions are not given but she believes that P.K. Sloan was the Pilot.  Her husband left for Saipan in Nov. or Dec. of '44, and returned sometime in the spring of '45.  She is 81 yrs. old and her memory is failing her.
I assume that the crew was assigned to the "Ramp Queen" and flew and completed their missions.  I would guess that the Burrell crew was assigned to the aircraft after they left and it was this crew which was lost over Tokyo.
Mrs. Hamrick said her husband had some pics of the crew with "Ramp Queen" in the background and she remembers  the V-Sq.-5 markings well, as they were visible in the photos.  Unfortunately she no longer remembers where they are.

As a side note, my dad flew B-17`s with the 8th in WWII.

Thank you for your help.  It is much appreciated.

                                                                            Kevin
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 05/28/2006 11:00:05 PM
Just happened across your message regarding V Square 5.  My dad is Melvin R. Ehlers.  He was the engineer on this B-29 (the Ramp Queen).  He is still alive but is fighting cancer at this time.  We do have a picture of his entire crew that I will get scanned and sent to you.  It has the names on the back of the picture that identify all crew members.  I also have his WWII scrapbook that includes, among other things, pictures and a log of every mission that they flew.  As mentioned in the thread entries, they flew all 30 missions without losing any crew members.  The crew that took over their plane after their 30th mission, went down on their first mission. 
 
Proud to be the son of a member of the "Greatest Generation"!!!!
My email is:  crehlers@aol.com 
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 05/29/2006 04:50:28 PM
Hello Curt,
Thank you very much for responding to my inquiry.  First off let me say that I too am the son of a member of the "Greatest Generation".  My father was a B-17 pilot who flew 32 missions with the 8th Air Force over Europe.
 Please bear with me as this first message may be somewhat lengthy.   Archie Hamrick was the tailgunner on your father`s B-29 "Ramp Queen", Serial # 263513.  He passed away in Jan. 1997, after having organized and participated in, a reunion of the crewmembers.  There were only 2 other crewmembers able to attend, Ed White-Radar Operator, and Paul Sloan - Pilot.  The other members were unable to attend due to failing health or other reasons.  Several of them had passed away by this time.  As a matter of fact, I have a letter written by your father to Archie in 1996 expressing his desire to attend the reunion but also explaining why he was unable to.  The reunion was held in Arizona.  Archie`s wife Maxine, a longtime family friend of my parents, has given me all of Archie`s material concerning his military service.  Unfortunately his mission log is missing  I have long been a WWII military history buff and became interested in Archie`s service after being given the material.  His children also are interested in his service as they know very little about it.  He, as with most of their generation, talked very little about his service.I have the videotape of the reunion in which Archie, Paul Sloan, and Ed White talk about their time on Saipan (Isley Field) and some of the missions flown.  They had trained together here in the states.  Archie, by the way, was also qualified as a flight engineer as per his MOS.  They picked up a New B-29 in Wichita, Ks. and flew to Saipan, arriving the afternoon of Dec. 25, 1945.  That night, the Japs made their last air raid on the field and that B-29, along with 2 others was destroyed.  They said in the video that there was nothing left but the engines.  The original "Ramp Queen", ex "Tokyo Twister" Serial # 224682, was wiped out in a crash landing on Saipan after the Jan. 27, 1945 mission by the "Burkett" crew.  I assume your father`s crew was assigned to the new "Ramp Queen" #263513 after this date.It was in this aircraft that I assume your father`s crew flew either the rest of, or at least most of their missions.  The question I have encountered is:  I have the General Order # 131 awarding the "Distinguished Flying Cross" to your father`s crew for a "Pathfinder Mission" (radar mapping aircraft) to Tokyo flown on May 25, 1945.  It was on this same mission #183 that "Ramp Queen" Serial # 263513 was shot down, as per mission summary reports,  with the "Burrell Crew".  All crewmembers were lost.  By the way there were 26 B-29`s lost on this mission.  My quandary is, what aircraft were they flying on this mission?Also in the videotape, they talk about missions flown after this date.  One of them being a RadarPhoto Mapping mission prior to the dropping of the Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  According to White and Sloan, it was from this/these mission photos and radar mapping that the actual atomic missions were flown.   I also have several pictures of the crew, one has the crew standing and kneeling by the nose wheel of the aircraft.  The other photo was taken inside a building or something.  Both have the crew names and positions listed.  There are several photos of the aircraft on the ground as well as one taken from another aircraft, showing their aircraft in formation with other aircraft flying past Mt. Fuji. I hope I haven`t bored you too much with my findings.  These guys are getting away from us much too fast and it is truly going to be a "Loss to the World", a world that they saved, when they pass.  I am, like you, fortunate enough to still have my father.  I know most everything about his military service and am now researching others. Thanks again Curt for your response and I hope to hear back from you.                                                                    Sincerely,                                                                                  Kevin Cranford
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 05/29/2006 07:42:01 PM
Kevin,
 
Thanks for the quick reply.  On this Memorial Day weekend, I was looking over my dad's WWII scrapbook and searching the Internet for more info.  I'm trying to put together a collage of info for my dad (and myself) before it's too late and he's gone.  We're heading back to Ohio in June to see him and I am trying to get this together before our trip.  Anyway, it's great hearing from you and hearing from someone that share's my fascination with the actions of these guys during WWII. 
 
Your info is great... I actually called my dad earlier today to clarify a few things that I had mis-understood and that you had related in your last posting.  Here's a little more info, some is a little different from what you had, and a couple of answers to your questions:
 
My dad has always said that they had diverted to Guam on thier way to Saipan on December 25th because the Japs were attacking Saipan as they were arriving.  I had never heard that their plane was destroyed in an air raid.  According to my dad, the plane they brought over from the states is the one that they kept and flew as their primary plane.  According to his mission log, the flew several different planes but V-5 was "theirs" and it was the one they originally brought over from the states.  If you have different info, let me know but he sounded very confident in this...
 
He remembers the mission you asked about with the Burrell crew.  He shows the date as May 26th rather than May 25th (return date vs. departure date).  I am positive its the same flight since he mentions the Distinguished Flying Cross.  He said that Lt. Burrell's crew had just brought over a new plane from the states and it was their practice that an experienced crew do a "shakedown" mission on the new planes.  Therefore, the Burrell crew flew V-5 and my dad's crew flew their plane (V-9).  This was their 22nd mission, not their last; they had just traded planes.  Their last mission was actually July 2nd and they left for the states on July 31st.    Here's what he has in his log for this mission:
"May 26, 1945.  No. 22.  Bombed Tokyo with incendiary bombs (17,280lbs) at night from 8,800 ft.  We were a pathfinder on this mission.  This is the mission we got our D.F.C. for.  Lt. Burrell was lost on this mission in our airplane.  Time 14:05.  V-9."
 
I never realized until reading your entry that they did do a photo recon mission over Nagasaki (I would assume like White and Sloan said, this was in prepartion for the Atomic Bomb.  This is the only non-bombing mission that I see in his log.  Here's the info for this mission (they're back in V-5 now):
"June 25, 1945.  No. 28.  This was a Photo Recon over the Island of Kyushu.  We flew over 3200 miles over the Island taking radar scope pictures.  We didn't carry any bombs.  The biggest town we went over was Nagasaki.  Time 14:25.  V-5."
 
I think I have the same crew pictures you described.  I only have one (poor quality) picture of V-5.  If possible, can I get a copy of the ones you described of their plane.  The one you described flying past Mt. Fuji would be great for the collage I'm assembling.   
 
Regarding Archie and the others.  I remember my dad saying that they always thought they had the best crew and, specifically, the best gunners.  His log describes whether they encountered light or heavy enemy fighters and flaq but he doesn't have any specifics in the logs on enemy aircraft shot down...
 
If you ever have the time to make a copy of the re-union video, I'm sure my dad (and I) would love to see it.  I will also make a copy of the video I made interviewing my dad for the Library of Congress Veterans History Project.  I am assuming with your interest in this area that you are familiar with this (www.loc.gov/folklife/vets/).  We made the video a couple summers ago but I have not yet edited it or transcribed it so I can send it in.  I'll send you the un-edited version if you give me your address (send address to my email: crehlers@aol.com). 
 
Thanks for the info.  If you have any questions I can ask my dad, let me know.  Once I get everything scanned in, I will get your address and send you a CD or DVD.  Would like to get copies of your info also sometime...
 
Thanks again...
 
Curt Ehlers
 
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 01/25/2007 09:55:20 PM
There is a pic of the Luther Burrell crew in the "Unoffical History of the 499th" written by Capt Prentiss Burkett.  878th Squardron V5 42-63513  MACR #14512. Hope this will help you
 
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RE: Info on "Ramp Queen" V-Square-5 - 04/19/2007 01:00:38 PM
ACCORDING TO MY FATHERS INDIVIDUAL COMBAT RECORD HIS FIRST MISSION ATTEMPT WAS DATED DEC.27,44-MISSION NUMBER 16-TARGET TOKIO-AIRPLANE NUMBER V5(4682) - RESULT A(ABORT)-REMARKS #2 FUEL PRESS. HIS FIRST COMPLETTED MISSION WAS DATED DEC.30,44-MISSION NUMBER WSM-TARGET CHI CHI JIMA-AIRPLANE NUMBER V5(4682)-RESULT T(TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY).MY DAD TELLS ME THAT HE FLEW THESE MISSION AS A REPLACE LEFT WAIST GUNNER ON CAPT. FIALA CREW. MY DAD IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL LIVING IN GEROGIA. HE FLEW THE REST OF HIS MISSION IN V-SQUARE 1 LT. VACULA CREW. I HOPE THIS INFO HELPS.

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