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Info on Little Patches
I'm looking for some info on B-17 Little Patches, 91st bomb group. My Grand father W. Hyde was a waist gunner on that ship and I can't seem to find anything with his name attached to it. The pilots last name was Olsen, I believe they also flew the Anxious Angel.
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Well, well: after years as a member, I finally have a hit!! I have the very same photo in my possession! My uncle, John E London (Jack) is kneeling, 3rd from the right! He was navigator in this crew, and he often speaks of the heroics of pilot "Ollie" Olson. He was in the 401st Bomber Squadron, and in combat from about Sept. '44 to the end of the war. He has also mentioned the planes "Jezebel" and "Time's A'Wastin" although I've had little luck connecting them to these planes. Both planes were eventually lost. My copy of the picture is labeled on the back as follows: "Back Row—Aerial Gunners. Front Row—L to R: Olson—first pilot, Jones—co-pilot, London—Navigator, Potts—Bombardier." There is also a seal which reads "Official Air Force Photograph, Army Air Field, Alexandria, LA." You can see this plus the other side - the actual photo - in my Profile. P.S. Here's a good "bio" about the plane: http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/misslist-31678.htm
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Mike - # 42 - 31678 " Little Patches " 1/27/44 Assigned 91st BG , 324th Sq. Code DF - L Transferred to 401st Sq. Code LL - L 4/2/44 - 2 SAD Battle Damage 5/4/44 - Regained 11/3/44 Force Landed RAF Raydon Battle Damage 11/28/44 - Regained 6/11/45 Returned to U.S. 12/7/45 RFC Kingman , AZ. Scrapped Photos: Plane Names and Fancy Noses Vol. I By Ray Bowden # 43 - 38035 LL - F " Anxious Angel " 6/8/45 Returned to U.S. 12/5/45 RFC Kingman , AZ. Scrapped Photo in Bowden Book Mike
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Wow this is great! I have a few more pictures if I can figure out how to get them on. My grand father Warren Hyde is still alive living in MN. He will be happy to hear the news. He mentioned that Mr. London took over as navigator, after Navigator (Tuttle) first name not able to remember was permoted to lead ship. My Grandfather Warren was the one who took the picture.
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Here are a few more pics.
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And a few more. He doesn't remember why the one picture got torn off.
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Ok I got it clarified now. Mr. London was part of the original crew. The picture was taken in the U.S. at the training base. After going over seas apparently he only flew a couple missions with this crew, than not sure where he went from there. Mr. Tuttle than joined the crew as navigator and the crew was assigned to Little Patches and lead plane. I have two of these pictures in the album, one is a copy and the other is the original both have been stamped by the army. I asked my Grand father if he could remember what plane they were first assigned to. He said they always flew a new plane over but when they got there they were put on one of the old beat up bombers and he couldn't remember the first one. I jokingly said come on it was only 66 years ago you should remember. He just smiled at me and rattled off a bunch of numbers. I said whats that? He said thats my serial number.
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It seems that my uncle remained with Olson, however, on subsequent raids. Did your grandfather always fly with Olson?
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I'm going to have to pick his brain a little more. He mentioned that there were a few times when crew members had to go up with other crews but he never specified if he did or not. He mentioned that he was on Little Patches for most of his missions but from the records I've found, LT Olson only took it on one mission. So I'm led to believe that he did end up with another crew.
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Interesting. Do you have the names of the other gunners in the first photo? And can your grandfather recall the first names of Potts and Olson? I know that Olson was from Nebraska, and his first name may have been Delmore (good reason to use a nickname!) Don
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I have some photos of Little Patches at my computer. If you would like to have them I can email them to you. Let me know! Best Regards, Sebastiaan
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punchup Interesting. Do you have the names of the other gunners in the first photo? And can your grandfather recall the first names of Potts and Olson? I know that Olson was from Nebraska, and his first name may have been Delmore (good reason to use a nickname!) Don I do know the pilots first name was Delmar or Delmor. He did mention the first names of some of the other crew members but I didn't write them down. I'm planing on going to visit him in a few days hopefully he feels up to chatting about this. I need to get a picture of some of his metals and badges.
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Sebastiaan Vonk I have some photos of Little Patches at my computer. If you would like to have them I can email them to you. Let me know! Best Regards, Sebastiaan Sure I'll take any thing you got. I'm not sure how to do a pm though.
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Oh I am sorry. This slipped my mind. Send me a mail at sebastiaan_vonk_8989@hotmail.com. I will send you then the photos I have. Best Regards, Sebastiaan
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You can send them to me, too. Sebastiaan. You can post here, or email me at londondon@sbcglobal.net Thank you for your great work!@
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Back again, still doing some digging. My Grandfather hadn't been feeling well for a while but he's doing better now. He Still says that the crew Navigator London, was Replaced by navigator last name Tuttle. Although he said that Little Patches was not their main ship, The Olson Crew only flew it on one mission and my Grandfather flew in it one other time with another crew as a fill in. He said that every one on a crew had do go with a different crew at least once. But he did stay with Olson's crew for the remainder of their time over there. He mentioned Anxious Angel as another ship the crew took up. It kind of sounds to me that the Olson crew served as a relief crew on different air crafts. He mentioned that they felw out of a place, weistenhearts? I'm not sure how it's spelld but thats kind of how it sounded when he told me.
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Bassingbourn is the name of the base for the 91st BG.
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I'm sorry to report that my uncle John E. London (Jack) passed away with all his family assembled at his home for Thanksgiving in Long Island, NY. He had been ill for a few months, but always sharp as a knife, a brilliant amateur historian of the war and full of humor and life, so it still came as a huge shock to all of us. It is still surreal and hard to believe right now. I can't imagine a world without my beloved hero, Uncle Eli. A couple of weeks earlier, I was visiting and he told a story I'd never heard before of a crash he witnessed at the base. A bunch of P-47s were returning home, and they would do a trick maneuver as they landed, coming in upside-down and flipping over before landing, to show off a bit, I guess, a sort of signature move. A bunch of guys were sitting there and watched in horror as one of the pilots didn't manage the flip in time for some reason and came in upside-down. They froze and sat there as the plane "just disintegrated" before their eyes. They ran out to help, but there was nothing left to help with. This one must've really got to him because he never mentioned it before. It also brings up a question: I didn't realize there were P-47s and P-51s also based at Bassingbourn. Any links to further info? Sadly, Don London
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Hi Don, Your entry on forum.armyairforces was forwarded to us for answer by Gordy Alton. We are the participants in the 91st BG E-mail Ring (101 91st Bomb Group veterans, ages 82 to 97, and 91st BGMA associate members) who answer questions for searches. Since some of our Ring participants are outstanding 8th Air Force historians and authors our ring has a remarkable ability to find information for relatives. We represent all periods of time that the 91st was active and so some of us can answer almost any question. We have forwarded your obituary on on to the 91st Bomb Group Memorial Association's News Letter editor, The Ragged Irregular, your obituary on your uncle John E. London. We have also researched or files to tell you the your uncle was a navigator in our 401st Bomb Squadron on the crew of Delmore L. Olson. [font=""arial","sans-serif"; color: black"]Dates and locations of targets of missions flown by John E. London first 17 January 1945 – Mission to Paderborn, 2nd Lt. Olson, Delmore L. second 21 January 1945 – Mission to Aschaffenburg, pilot,2nd Lt. Olson, Delmore L. third 3 March 1945 – Mission to Chemnitz, Pilot, 2nd Lt. Olson, Delmore L. fourth 7 March 1945 – Mission to Dortmund and Giessen, pilot - 1st Lt. Borgeson, Menford M. fifth 8 March 1945 – Mission to Huls, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L. sixth 9 March 1945 – Mission to Kassel, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L. His seventh mission was on 18 March 1945 – Mission to Berlin, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L. eighth mission was on 21 March 1954 – Mission to Rheine/Salzbergen, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L ninth mission was on 23 March 1945 – Mission to Goesfeld. Pilot - Olson, Delmore L Tenth - 4 April 1945 – Mission to Fassberg, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L Eleventh - 5 April 1945 – Mission to Grafenwohl, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L Twelfth - 18 April 1945 – Mission to Rosenheim, Pilot - Olson, Delmore L Thirteenth - 20 April 1945 – Mission to (Target name illegible.) Fourteenth - 21 April 1945 – Mission to Munich The last mission of the war flown by the 401st Squadron In addition, we have copied bits of prior e-mails sent in answer to prior searches done by the Ring that tell the story of the P-47 that your uncle told you. We have omitted all but the pertinent sections but you will understand exactly what happened and why a P-47 was on our base at Bassingbourn. Mike Banta, 91st Ringmaster Answer to the P-47 question In a message dated 5/1/2008 8:41:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Mike: How about the aircraft a P47 taken over at Steeple Morden, before they changed over to the P-51s. Whit. Hi Whit and 91sters, Remember, Whit, we had a P-47 at Bassingbourn for B-17 pilots who just had to get a little aerobatics out of their system. I wasn't there but those who were told me that Major Griffin bought the farm on VE day when he took the P-47 up and was celebrating the end of the war by doing slow rolls over the field. On the third slow roll he hit the ground and that was all that there was. Mike Banta, 91st Ring In a message dated 5/4/2008 1:38:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Melvin Dart writes: Mike, You mentioned the P47 and Major Griffin. I had forgotten his name but remembered he was a major and I can tell you he did more than slow rolls over the base. He put on quite a show until he wasn't able to pull out and hit the ground. I remember watching the "show" and thinking what a shame to get killed that way. If you were killed in combat, at least there was a purpose under those conditions. By the way it was not on VE day because I was in London, not in Bassingbourn that day. Mel Dart Hi Mel and 91sters, Right you are, Mel. The articles that ended WW II were signed on May 7th 1945 and went into effect on May 8th 1945. The Casualty report for Major Griffin's death shows he died on May 15 1945. Sorry, I got that wrong. Mike Banta, 91st Ring
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You guys are amazing! The list is fantastic, and answered lots of questions. It mostly confirmed my uncle's amazingly accurate stories, all of which he only talked about in the last few years. I also subsequently found the Dailies at the 91stbombgroup.com site and want to thank everyone for their hard work extracting the info and sharing it for us amateur researchers. More questions, later... But for now, GREAT JOB!
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