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I'd have to dig around to find it, but the turbo hoods weren't installed until way, way late (fairly near the end) in production as Al mentioned.


Since I no longer have my Illustrated Parts Catalogs I can't cite an exact serial number but my best guess would be the M-30 (final) production Block. I know the hoods were to go on the B-24N. However it is possible that the photo was taken from a modified B-24 that had the hoods under test, so I didn't volunteer a serial in my first message.
 
Here are two photos that show what we are talking about.
 
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Al, would this pic of the last plane at Willow Run, B-24M-30-FO, be an example?  It appears that the hood under the #1 engine is showing, or is that an allusion?  If this is the case, then, more than likely, the pic I had earlier posted would have been from the summer of 1945.  Hmmm...  maybe the lack of vehicles at the west end would also make sense too.  If not, then it could have been on an earler modified test plane, which would then make the original pic more difficult to place in time.   All in all, 1945 still looks even better...
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Some of you may have already seen this 10 minute video, but if you have not, it is well worth the view.  It deals with the women who became such an important part of the "Arsenal of Democracy" during WW II.  It especially centers on the Ford Willow Run Bomber Plant.  It is quite obvious that without the "Rosies" our manufacturing capabilities would have been sorely weakened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQKvBPjxMo4

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Great video Steven!!!
 
I love the Rosie the riveter videos, of course they did much more than rivet. This was quite possibly the best War Bond sales series of the war. My Mom worked at Nela Park in Cleveland, Ohio during WW II Making search lights. She told stories about when the glass blowers were not working properly or there was a flaw in the glass there would be a bang so loud you’d think munitions were going off!
I also admire the manufacturing/Assembly plants at work! The Liberator was a fine piece of advanced engineering that produced a very affective combat war machine with extended range...perfect for the ETO.
 
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I want to see the video of the the munchkins installing the fuel tanks inside the wings
 
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Scott, Thanks for the comment, and yes we are all proud of the Willow Run accomplishments just one of the many wartime plants making up the "Arsenal of Democracy." In the bigger picture of the war effort, however,  I believe the Lib made more of an overall impact in the PTO, but, like many things, that is always up for discussion. Regardless, it was one of the many A/Cs, B-17, B-25, B-29, fighter and transports, that accumulatively helped bring the war to an end.

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Steven,
Agreed…The 2100 mile range of the Lib also made it ideal for operations in the PTO. I won’t enter the war between the B’s as I believe the United States had the best bomber designs of all the Allied forces. The vast and rapid development of the military industrial complex allowed the U.S. to out produce any nation on earth. The sheer numbers produced in such a short period of time is testament to the accomplishments of as you put it the "Arsenal of Democracy". As Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is quote to have said after the attack on Pearl Harbor… "I am afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant". This became fact more rapidly than even Admiral Yamamoto could have dreamed. With FDR’s appointment of William S. Knudsen as head of wartime production there was no stopping the now awakened Giant!!!
Here’s a nice PDF on the “Arsenal of Democracy” regarding the rapid mobilization during the war
http://www.spiritof45.org/docs/Arsenal%20of%20Democracy%20media%20release%2012-28-11.pdf 
 
Photo attached of Lib’s and C-87 "Liberator Express Transports" being assembled at Consolidated-Vultee Plant, Fort Worth, Texas.
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I want to see the video of the the munchkins installing the fuel tanks inside the wings

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She fell from the sky, she fell very far and Kansas, she says,
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Henry Bedow (Bedon?) Working Inside the Wing of a B-24, 1943

THF24016 Typed on the back is “A little guy does a big job at Willow Run. A midget, Henry Bedon (Bedow?) is able to climb around inside the wing of a Liberator.” Ford Motor Co. Willow Run Bomber Plant.
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Henry Bedow (Bedon?) Working Inside the Wing of a B-24, 1943

THF24016 Typed on the back is “A little guy does a big job at Willow Run. A midget, Henry Bedon (Bedow?) is able to climb around inside the wing of a Liberator.” Ford Motor Co. Willow Run Bomber Plant.
http://www.flickr.com/pho...ehenryford/6127482194/

Dan,  Thanks for posting the link!  I've also included a short piece here about Robert Hardy, another one of 12 midgets/dwarfs (politically correct terminology for the 1940s) assigned to the FO WR Plant. The piece appeared in an article I wrote for the May 2010 edition of The 2ND Air Division Heritage Herald. Thought it would tie in well with your links/pix.  Along with the Rosies, Engineers, Air Crews, Maintenance and other support, these folks were absolutely invaluable to the wartime production at FO WR!
Even though the "Rosies" received most of the attention, there was another "specialized" group at Willow Run who were invaluable. These were the "little people" known in the 1940’s as midgets or dwarfs. These workers totaled 12 at peak production and were used primarily as "buckers" for the riveters and inspectors inside of tight areas although not limited to that. In the "assembly process," they were crucial at station 15 on both the "K" and "H" lines where the outer wings were mated to the center wing section.
Robert Hardy from Wyandotte, Michigan, who was a drummer in the Rose Troupe prior to the war, talked about this in an interview many years ago. "The Little People were assigned throughout the plant–wherever work needed to be done in tight places. The B-24’s wings went clear through the fuselage. The four engines and bomb racks were hung from the center wing, and the outer wings were attached to each side, forming a 110-foot-long wingspan. As the outer wings were mated, guys would drive rivets on the outside, and the little people would be inside bucking. I was lucky not to have been assigned there – the noise was so loud, I’d be deaf! Instead I got to work in inspection, checking flight controls, stabilizers, rudders and wing connections.
Hardy’s work was so well respected by not only Ford personnel but also by the AAF that allowed him to sign off on its inspections. Hardy says "he was generally treated with respect by his fellow workers." Although there was a no-strike agreement during the war years, "he stopped work one day to lead a demonstration of fellow inspectors, confronting supervisors who wouldn’t back them up when they found a problem in the plane’s construction." On his occasional visits to the plant floor, Henry Ford seemed to take to befriending Hardy but more than likely he was perhaps patronizing him. In Hardy’s own words, "He would visit the line, come over and talk to me, and often would bring celebrities with him. Once I even met Irving Berlin." 
 


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Here is another photo of a Little Person at work in the Willow Run Plant. I have never confirmed that the other B-24 manufacturers used these folks in their work forces. Does anyone know?
 
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There is mention of "little people" working at a Bell bomber plant in the interview on this link.    
 
http://www.library.gsu.edu/spcoll/labor/wnp/wnpdocument/bellbomber/bellbomber.pdf
 
I think the Bell plant was working on B-29s.
 
There is a photo here taken at the "Downy Plant" on "Valiant"  basic trainer.
http://ehistory.osu.edu/osu/mmh/machinery/industry.cfm
 
So not necessarily B-24s, but it looks like the practice was fairly common in the industry.
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Hey it is not incorrect to call a person a dwarf or midget - I would be highly insulted to be called a little person (that implies a height problem) if I was not as tall as everyone else.
 
A Dwarf just has short legs with a normal sized upper body (normal meaning fitting the average standard human)
 
A Midget is a person preportionaly short (short legs, short arms upper torso, and head all preportionaly correct)
 
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Dear lord thanks for the help…I now realize my politically correct thought of “Vertically challenged” would also be offensive!...
You have saved us all…
 
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Hey Kingman
 
Is vertically challenged someone who is over 6' 6" tall and keeps hitting his head on the kitchen fan?
 
How about horizontally challenged - to fat to walk - needs to be rolled from room to room?
 
Horizontally opposed - way-to-skinny, i.e.  turns sideways and disappears?
 
Hair Challenged - all forehead and nothing on top?
 
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I just wonder, after installing the wings, how did they get the midgets out??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Hay Terveurn
See there you go again!!!
All of the above challenges would be in correct format in my book…!
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Dave,  points taken, but seems you may have drifted off-target. The simple point was that terminlogy seems to differ in various periods of history. Other examples can be found. The point here is that the wartime needs were many on the "Homefront," and the WR FO plant and other facilites made use of their talents.

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Photo attached of Lib’s and C-87 "Liberator Express Transports" being assembled at Consolidated-Vultee Plant, Fort Worth, Texas.
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Scott
Your photo actually shows the Fort Worth modification line. The B-24s in the picture were all built at San Diego and then flown to CF for modification.
 
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Photo attached of Lib’s and C-87 "Liberator Express Transports" being assembled at Consolidated-Vultee Plant, Fort Worth, Texas.
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Scott
Your photo actually shows the Fort Worth modification line. The B-24s in the picture were all built at San Diego and then flown to CF for modification.
 
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Good morning, Al, and thought I'd add a brief comment about the pic.  It appears in your TBL and in so many Lib books, but several years ago a friend, who worked here at the WR plant with me, sent me this same pic saying that it WAS the FO plant! After much banter, he finally realized that it wasn't and the book/article in which he had seen it simply had a photo typo....

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Steven,
Actually, the picture in TBL is not the same one Scott posted but another shot taken a bit earlier. Note how the people are not in the same places. It was common for the plant photographer to shoot multiple photos of anything he was documenting. The B-24s have not moved, however. The plane closest to the camera is 42-40823. Moving on down the line we have 42-40835, 686, 842, 800, 831, 843, 816, 846, 941 and 42-63829. All of these modified ships came off the Mod Line in mid-June of 1943, which dates the picture. As you well know, if this was a production (assembly) line the serials would be in order.
 
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Recently I wrote an article for th Heritage Herald Review entitled: "Ford's Better Idea:  A B-24 Liberator Bomber an Hour" which can be found on pages 10 and 11 of the summer 2012 edition with some pictures.  Here is the link:  http://www.heritageleague.org/brian/49b.pdf.  Although the Ford Motor Company had initial startup difficulties, it finally "mastered" the tried and tested "automotive mechanized assembly process and interchangeable parts" and realized its production goals.  Today the former plant sits "shuttered," barricaded and empty leaving only "ghosts-of-history-past" to wander about. 

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