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Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen

Of interest to anyone researching the Bond Crew or the Wardencki Crew.
 
The only previous pictures of B-17G 42-97214 "Carolina Queen" GD-B that I know of were from the April 8, 1944, belly landing.  4 photos in total.  Two photos of the belly landing itself, and two photos of the Bond Crew, and the Bond Crew and Col. Hall standing between the port engines in the dark.
 
[Updated below, but this appears to have been a case of wishful thinking] I found this image in the background of a photo of a 535thship “The Columbus Miss”.  The photo is dated 5/30/44.  Carolina Queen was lost 5/24/44.  I’d already discovered that the photo dates aren’t exact.  I've taken to calling these the date of the photo print.
 
Carolina Queen was the only 534th B in the time period of this photo – May 1944.  If you try really hard, you make out the “14” of “297214” tail number and the rest of the numbers appear they would match. 
 
Supporting evidence.  The previous 534th B “Myer’s Flaw” was lost March 6, 1944.  The next one to carry the letter “My Son Bob” wasn’t assigned until August 44.
 


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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2011/10/14 17:58:54 (permalink)
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The photo that Carolina Queen appears in the background of.
 

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2011/10/18 05:00:31 (permalink)
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You've got eagle eyes Scott.


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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2011/12/13 23:56:20 (permalink)
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I would like to know more about the “The Columbus Miss" B-17
What was its serial number?
where was photo taken?
any other info about why it was named “The Columbus Miss"
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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2011/12/14 12:31:54 (permalink)
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Photo was taken at Station 167, Ridgewell, Essex, England.
B-17G 42-97313 "The Columbus Miss" MS-N, 535th
Assigned 5/5/44
Lost 1/14/45
MACR 11763
 
...and off hand, I don't know how it got the name.   Maybe somebody else knows.

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/01/24 21:31:38 (permalink)
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Nothing like changing your mind.
 
Now I'm not so sure about my ID.  Here's one view of 42-97214 from the belling landing on April 8, 1944 (still haven't been able to track down the source of this image), and the 'found' image dated March 6, 1944.
 
In the April photo there is clearly an original tail gun installation. In the March photo there's a Cheyenne tail, the 'H' waist window appears to be missing--although that could be the poor image quality, and the markings on the port tail side have different spacing than the starboard tail view in April.



The part of me that hopes it's still a valid ID says, "Well, it underwent repairs from the belly landing. Maybe they did a field modification, put in a Cheyenne tail kit, took out the H window, and redid the tail markings."
 
The skeptic in me says, "Nice try."

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/01/24 21:54:21 (permalink)
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Scott-

The spacing on the squadron code on opposite sides of the fuselage is, I believe, due to the door on the starboard side. I think this was fairly common practice on the paint job. Al
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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/01/24 21:58:59 (permalink)
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Al,
 
I was thinking more about the tail number and the aircraft call letter.  In the earlier picture they're tucked up tight against the 1st AD triangle.  In the second picture the call letter and tail number are much lower.  Different sides, but it strikes me as odd - now.

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/01/24 22:31:14 (permalink)
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Scott,
Unless I'm missing something I think you mixed up the date in post #6.  The date on the print that has the 'found' image looks like May 30 to me.
Interesting story on the back side of the belly landing photo on Fold3.
Hal
 
 

 
 

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/01/25 16:11:10 (permalink)
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Yeah I got the dates mixed up.  The May 30th date may be correct, as displayed on the photo, and the aircraft is the newest or temporary "B" aircraft in the squadron.
 
Attached is an enhancement of a very dark, nighttime, photo taken after the belly landing on April 8, 1944.
 

 
Front row (L-R): 2nd Lt Leslie A. Bond - pilot, 2nd Lt. Gerald O. Hilton - bombardier, S/Sgt. Anthony A. Caserta - ball turret gunner.
 
Back row (L-R): S/Sgt Neal V. Clyman - engineer & top turret gunner, S/Sgt. William R. Jones Jr. - radio operator holding a white bag, 2nd Lt. Charles E. Brumback - navigator,  Sgt. Robert K. Batchelder - tail gunner,  Sgt. Earl Ornduff - right waist gunner, Sgt. A.C. Derrington - left waist gunner,  2nd. Lt. Wilbur M. Mason - co-pilot.
 
Between April 8th and April 19th, when the crew was shot down, the 534th squadron went from 2 waist gunners to 1.  Sgt. Ornduff was reassigned to another crew and survived the war.  Of the remaining crew shot down on the 19th, Clyman and Mason were POWs and the other men were KIA.

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Re:Found a poor picture of Carolina Queen 2013/04/24 00:19:30 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
 
here link to complete pic of "Carolina Queen" belly landing  (fold3)
 
http://www.fold3.com/image/#38254874
 
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