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Early Model P-38's w/ Dragon artwork
Anyone have any pictures of any early model P-38F/H's with the 459th FS that had the dragons painted on them. I saw a short video clip that showed one and would like to find some pictures. Mike
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Mike - I think you are looking for the 459th Sq. " Twin Tailed Dragons " Mike
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Yes, I forgot to put that little bit of info in there. Thanks, Mike
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Mike - The Sq. Emblem is actually a 2 Headed Coiled Snake. Is this it? No Photos in 10th Af by Rust or Peter Three Eight by Stanaway. The latter has a Good Sketch of it. Mike
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Thats the squadron. I'm not looking for a picture of the emblem but of any early model F or H Lightning's that have the engine cowls and booms painted painted with the design. You can see the video here http://www.lost-squadron.org/index2.html just click on the Union Jack flag at the bottom left and it will change the site to english and start the video. It's about 1 minute in. Mike
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Mike--Gary this is an early "H" , it's shown at the beginning of your video; it's "Frances Rebel" no. 11 in about March. The white stripe probably indicates a flight leader. The colour of the mouths now seems to be black rather than red, the tongue (and sometimes the lips) were red, the tooth is white as are the dotted lines. The very early P-38s had no mouth and tail nos. in low 100s, then 1 or 2 -digit nos. when mouths introduced; the later unpainted models didn't appear to have the mouths. One or two of the colour photos in John's "Twin Dragons" articles would suggest a pale blue was used on some undersides rather than neutral grey. Nick
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Thanks Nick! Thats what I was looking for. Can I ask were you got that picture? Any idea what the name was on the other side. In the video it looks like just one word. MIke
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The P-38 MOUTH was called a CHIN which housed among other things the turbo-charger intercooler.. Terry T.
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Mike I viewed the video full screen but could't make out the name; one thing it showed was the tail no. 101 not 11 --you can just see it on the photo now I had a closer look. It is in a couple of books but this is from Kenn Rust's "Tenth Air Force Story". Terry....the caption says the serial is 42-67008, you might be able to confirm that ? Thanks Nick
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I have: 42-67008 P-38H-5-LO Glotfelty, James G., /RMC 60th Fighter Sqd 33rd Fighter Group 10AF 11 Jun 1945 (Burma, Myitkyina, 15mi. S) Wrecked - Pilot bailed condemned crashed, pilot bailed out due to engine failure Terry T.
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Just watched again the video there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou8FLMECCL4 Name on the opposite side of "Frances Rebel" could be "Donna Marie", as seen on p.21 of "Warpaint" book (by Campbell / Airlife ). Maybe... Here is a still from that video, showing the blurred name on the right side. P-38F Frances...01 r_side
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Interesting detail is that a name (barely visible on the 10thAF story pic) is written on the tip of the nose of this P-38. Looks like it could be "Marie".
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