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Doolittle Raid B25B 40-2242 that landed in Russia after the raid
Just want to know if anyone has any idea what happened to the B25 serial # 40-2242 that landed in Russia after the Tokyo raid on April 18 1942. It seems that some people are trying to find out what ever happened to it.I found a picture of it on Todd Joyce's (son of one of the Raider pilots) website taken the day after the raid. http://www.doolittleraider.com/
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Joe Baughers serials B-25B 40-2242 (17th BG, 95th BS) was Doolittle raider. Was 8th aircraft launched from USS Hornet. Mixed crew from 37th BS, 89th Recon Squadron. Bombed Tokyo, landed 40 mi N of Vladivostok Apr 18, 1942. Crew interned for 13 months, aicraft kept by USSR, scrapped in 1950s. Terry T.
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This book might contain info: Chasing Ghosts: The Cooperative American-Russian Search to Recover Lost Aviation History by Walter Kurilchyk ISBN-10: 0965507726 ISBN-13: 9780965507721 Publisher: Aviation History Publishing - January 1997 Format: Hardcover Crew on 40-2242 were: Captain Edward J. York (Pilot) - 95th BS 17th BG Lt. Robert G. Emmens (Co-Pilot) Lt. Nolan A. Herndon (Navigator-Bombardier)- 89th Reconnaissance Squadron Sgt. Theodore H. Laban (Engineer) - 95th BS 17th BG Sgt. David W. Pohl (Gunner) -37th BS 17th BG Lt. Emmens is not listed on the original Special Order # 36 of March 12th 1942, as he joined the Tokyo mission without training at Eglin, just before boarding of carrier USS Hornet.
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Thanks for the info TerryT and Deefeater.
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There is a rumor, explored in the book "The First Heroes" that the officers of that particuar crew were actually intelligence officers sent to Vladivistock intentionally, as the Raiders had been ordered not to go there. The mission was alleged to be to gather information on Russia, and bring it back when repatriated. Robbie
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Good rumor for a bunch of guys killing time waiting out the weather, but not very plausible. Anyone contemplating such a mission would have to know that the crew would be placed in custody immediately and thereby be of no intelligence value. In the crews journey across Siberia and into Iran they might have seen some things like the conditions of the railroads, but journalists and military attaches could learn these facts.
David Wilma Son of 1LT Francis R. "Dick" Wilma (1920-2005) Air Transport Command, Chabua, India, '44 - '45 www.DavidWilma.com
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I do seem to recall that one or both pilots went into intelligence work after the war. That may be the cause of the rumor. Robbie
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Obviously, I do not have the complete list of airmen held in the Soviet Union during WWII. I have names, ranks, and serial numbers of 130 USAAF/Navy personnel, and type aircraft assigned. There were 218 USAAF personnel (blanket authorized) the POW medal, and at least 62 (identified by letter) Navy personnel awarded the POW medal. Robert
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Deefeater, I am researching the Doolittle crews that trained at Eglin but did not go on the raid or the Hornet. Does the order you mentioned list all personnel detached from the 17th Bombardment Group to the First Special Aviation Project? Cheers, Zeke
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The plane is still there where it landed. The Russians won't give it back. They say they own it after the crew was rescued and sent to china by the peoples army. The crew was not captured by the japanese. It's a war torphy. James
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Crew of 8th Aircraft Plane # 40-2242 - Crew from 95th Squadron, 17th Group - (Landed and Interned in Russia) Captain York's B25 had suffered engine problems prior to the loading of the aircraft on the Hornet, and the flight to Japan compounded this. Despite heavy fuel consumption by both engines, York continued on course to drop his bombs on their assigned targets. Throughout the run the aircraft was defenseless with a top turret that failed to work. Without enough fuel to reach China, Cpt. York elected to fly the shorter distance to Russia where he landed at a field near Vladivostok in hopes of refueling to reach China. Instead, the still neutral Soviets confiscated the bomber and interred the crew for thirteen months. The crew returned home in May 1943 after escaping into Persia. Robert
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TBolt - A while Back I saw an Ariel Photo of the Huge outdoor Aircraft Museum in Russia. There were several American Aircraft visible including C -47 , A-20 , and a early Model B - 25. Whether the B - 25 is York's or a Lend - Lease is unknown. Anybody Know? Mike
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shooshoobaby TBolt - A while Back I saw an Ariel Photo of the Huge outdoor Aircraft Museum in Russia. There were several American Aircraft visible including C -47 , A-20 , and a early Model B - 25. Whether the B - 25 is York's or a Lend - Lease is unknown. Anybody Know? Mike No it is not a B-model. This is one of the lend-leased a/c which crashed somewhere in Siberia on the way from Chukotka . It never flew again during the war and was brought to the museum (Monino) in post-war time. Identification: B-25D-30-NC, s/n 43-3355 It's one of this "hybrid" Mitchells (block -30 and -35) built in Kansas, after production of the J-model has already started. s. also here: http://warbirdregistry.org/b25registry/b25-433355.html Cheers! Yves P.S. There is no C-47 in the museum - it's a soviet built Li-2 - http://www.moninoaviation.com/9a.html
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Yves - Thanks for the info ! Mike
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shooshoobaby Yves - Thanks for the info ! Mike My pleasure! See also some photos with soviet B-25D-30 as the preserved one: 1. In Alaska before the transfer to the USSR - note date on the nose Febr. 5, 1944 signed by S/Sgt. Cook. One may also recognize Bostons among the Mitchells. 2. After the transfer soviet mechanics warming up the engines somewhere in the far east of the USSR 3. Soviet crew with their B-25, winter 1944. The a/c is not winter camouflaged but frozen! Note the big pipes under the engines for warming up with hot air. All photos "are very cold", aren't they? Best Regards! Yves
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Sealman2 The plane is still there where it landed. The Russians won't give it back. They say they own it after the crew was rescued and sent to china by the peoples army. The crew was not captured by the japanese. It's a war torphy. James My understanding is that it was indeed scrapped post-war. I'm not sure if the US government asked for the plane back or not. It wasn't helpful of the Russians to intern the crew, but looking at it from their perspective it was a reasonably smart move to try and keep the Japanese from attacking them. They didn't need a second front at the time. Yes, I've also seen the theory about the crew as "spies" or as being there to test the Russians out, but I don't think it makes too much sense. Frankly, The First Heroes did NOT impress me as a book. It's basically a modernized, disjunct, sensational, and frankly, poorly written re-hashing of the well-written books by Col. Glines. I also like Duane Shultz' book and the one by Merrill (which I can't find on my shelf to give the exact title) better. Ryan www.doolittleraid.com
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Did you know that every person included in the special group was boarded on the USS Hornet for security reasons. One person included in the boarding that was not part of the special order was Robert Emmons who flew Co-pilot for York. Very fishy how he ended up on the mission and later selected to fly with York. He later wrote a well written account of the mission in Guest of the Kremlin which was recently republished. I have done extensive research on the mission and there are many exaggerations in Emmons' account but none the less a fun read.
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Emmons, the co-pilot for York on "2242" was the Air Attache to the US Embassy in Tokyo. He was there during the Gary Francis U-2 flight, I believe or some other international air affair, anyway his office was broken into. The prim suspects were Soviet agents.
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It should be noted that there is no record of Laban (crew chief) or Pohl (tail gunner) being trained. According to Emmons, Ski York told him he had never trained. However, later York said he made one short field takeoff. It is interesting that all the other crew members were matched to an aircraft where the crew for "2242" was a pick-up crew made from AAF personnel aboard the USS Hornet. David Pohl told me he didn't want to go but was shamed into it.
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The crew was not sent to China. They were placed in essential house arrest and transported in a seal railroad car to a place near Stalingrad. Later the were moved to Perm in the foothills of the Urals. Eventually the escaped to Mashhad, Iran then India (now Pakistan) and back to the US.
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