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Alex Smart

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Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 03/26/2007 11:36:05 AM
Hi,
 
Hi,
Seeking details about Lt. Col. Setchell.

All that I have is that he was at one time with the 7th PG and flew F-5's (P-38's) to Italy in mid 1944. Possibly remained in the MTO with a F-5 Recce or other P-38 Unit.

Thanks in advance

Alex
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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 03/26/2007 12:12:28 PM
Alex:
Col. James F. Setchell died 1960
Buried - Arlington Cemetery
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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 08/18/2007 01:42:25 PM
Hello,
 
There was a Col. Setchell who flew a Mosquito (actualy a Canada built F-8) in the MTO for reconnaissance mission.
 
The crew of this Mosquito was  Maj. James F. Setchell and Capt J.C. Alexander.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Renaud
 
 

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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 08/18/2007 02:07:45 PM
Hi, Guy's,
 
Many thanks for your replies Mike and Renaud.
 
Just seen them tonight.
 
Alex
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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 08/18/2007 02:57:28 PM
Alex,
Found some info on a Canadian website (www.virtualmuseum.ca). Setchell and Alexander flew Mosquito 43-34926 "The Spook" with 32nd Photo Recce Sqn, 5th PhotoRecce Grp. Initially out of Oran, Algeria. Missions over Tunisia, Sicily, Italy.
Setchell received a DFC for flying through intense flak yet completing missions on Jan 16 + 17, 1944.  "The Spook" (ex-KB315 RAF serial) was later shot down (date??) behind enemy lines in Italy. Both POW, but Setchell could escape some months later.

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Leendert,
Belgium

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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 07/19/2008 09:13:00 PM
Hello

The officer you are inquiring about, Lt Col James Setchell, was my father. Among other aircraft, he flew a Canadian-built F-5 called "The Spook," a picture of which is shown in Fat Cat's response of 8/18/2007. That foto was taken in Aug 1943 at the DeHavilland plant near Toronto, and shows my father, then-Major Setchell with his navigator, then-Capt Jerome "Alex" Alexander. I have the original foto...and a number of others.

How can I help you?

Regret this delayed response...a Navy compadre just put me onto this web site.

Regards
James F (Bill) Setchell, Jr
Centerville, Ohio USA (Near Dayton, OH)
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RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 07/20/2008 07:56:34 AM
Hello James,
 
Glad to hear from you.
 
Also it is good to hear that your father did survive the war.
 
The reason for my original question was to try to find out what became of him after he delivered the P-38 from the UK to Italy. Did he return and ferry out other aircraft or did he stay in the Italian area of operations ? It would now seem that he did stay in Italy for the rest of the war.
 
The search originally was for the pilot of a P-38 or an F-5 Lightning (that has yet to be identified) small parts of which  have been found in the north of Italy. But as yet there has been no luck in finding any details of the loss other than local witnesses who say that the pilot was killed and buried nearby.
 
No pilot seems to be unacounted for ( as far as can be found out so far ) from any of the P-38/F-5 Groups in the region, nore are there any aircraft of the type still not accounted for or so it would seem, so it is a mystery that is still unsolved.
 
For info on the subject see posts by myself and dnalor/ Roland Domanig (Austria) that has been ongoing for quite a while now.
 
All the very best from for once a SUNNY Cornwall.
 
Alex
 
 
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Re: RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 07/26/2008 10:05:25 PM
Alex
Greetings from what has been a very warm - well, hot, actually - and sunny day in Ohio.

My father flew both the F-8 and the F-5 during WW-II...and assorted other aircraft from time to time.  The F-8 was called the Spook, and I have quite a few pictures of it; however, I do not have any photos of my father with any of the F-5s he flew.

The F-8 aircraft was named after me, actually, as he considered me one of the scariest-looking babies he had ever seen...I was an infant at that time and I carry a picture of my father and me from back then in my wallet to this day...y'know, actually, to be perfectly honest about it, I was a pretty ugly baby - he could well have been right!).
Regarding your question about "...what became of him after he delivered the P-38 from the UK to Italy...", he actually flew the Spook from the US to England to Tunisia and eventually to Italy - not a P-38.   Please see below.
As recorded in my father's flight notebook and in a number of photographs I have at home, my father and his navigator, Capt Alexander, flew his F-8 "Spook" Mosquito, Serial # 43-34926 from the US to La Marsa, Tunisia, arriving La Marsa on 18 Oct 1943 via Goose Bay, BW1, Meeks, Preswick, St Maugen (i.e., Cornwall!!!), and Casa Blanca.  On 10 Nov 1943 he flew the Spook to Algiers with FDR, Jr (who was stationed with him at La Marsa).  My father and the Spook transferred to San Severo, Italy on 7 Dec 1943.  By 15 Jan 1944 he was at 5th Army HQ, living in a tent with Col Karl Polifka, his friend and commanding officer.  (As a side note, I know Karl Polifka, Jr...we met years ago...it was a fascinating experience for both of us).   My father's last recorded mission with the Spook was 13 Mar 1944, when he returned from a night mission north of Rome with a bad engine.  Some time after that, he transferred to Bari, where he flew F-5s.   On 10 Sep 1944 during a high-speed, low-level photo-recce mission over German positions in Greece, his F-5 was hit by ground fire, and he had to crash-land the F-5 into the water just off the coast of Greece.  He survived the crash landing, and was picked up out of the water by Greek patriots who hid him out from the Germans until Athens was liberated and he could make it home.  
I have seen references to the fact that the Spook was shot down before (as mentioned in Leendert's note above), but I expect such stories may be confused with the F-5 shoot-down, since I learned in 1998 that the Spook ended its career during a crash landing on 19 Aug 1944 while assigned to the 12th AF 29 Jul 1998 letter from the Air Force Historical Research Agency along with a copy of the flight log, not quite a month before my father's F-5 was shot down (10 Sep 1944).
After the war, both Alexander and my father remained in the USAF.  My father became ill with a brain tumor in 1958 while attending the Industrial College of the Armed Forces at Ft McNair, and, as noted in shooshoobaby's note above, passed away in 1960.  He and my mother are buried in Arlington National Cemetery.  Alexander ("Alex" to us) eventually retired in Watsonville, CA (near where Col Polifka's wife Helen lived), and he passed away several years ago.
Bottom Line: I am afraid it does not look like my Dad is the P-38 pilot who might have been associated with the P-38/F-5 pieces located in the north of Italy that are of interest to you; still, I hope this information has been of some value.
Best regards
Bill

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Re: RE: Details wanted on Lt.Col Setchell, please. - 07/27/2008 06:32:07 AM
Quick correction. I just re-read the original copy of my father's post-mission report from when he was shot down just off the coast of Greece.  It begins: "Sept. 10. Sun.  Departed San Severo 0930 i F-5 #123. Landed Bari 1000 and had fuel topped off...."
My earlier statement about my father transferring to Bari must have been incorrect, as it looks like he remained at San Severo.

RegardsBill

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