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Description, and Responsibilities of Various Armorer Rating during WWII

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Description, and Responsibilities of Various Armorer Rating during WWII

Descriptions, and Responsibilities of Various Armorer Rating during WWII

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Son of T/Sgt. Ray "Bud" Heilman

11 TH F. A. 1937-40
Schofield Barracks
11 TH BGH 42 Sq.1940-45
Hickam 12/7/1941
USAAC Armorer 911
P.U.C.
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I have a T/O from 1 Jul 41 (1-112), for Hq & Hq Sq, Bombardment Group (Heavy), and it shows Aircraft Armorer as 011 (for all grades).  Was there a change in the MOS number  to 911, later in the war?
After checking a T/O for 1 Jul 42, I see that Armorers were listed in that table as MOS 511.  It is also the MOS for Aerial Gunners.  The only difference I see is that they are called Aircraft Armorers in the 1941 table, and just plaine Armorers in the 1942 table.  None are listed as MOS 911, which may have come later.

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Re:Description, and Responsibilities of Various Armorer Rating during 2011/01/15 17:45:50 (permalink)
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Here is my father's Certificate and I have his Enlisted Record and Report of Separation. He is listed as a Armorer 911 on his Separation papers. 
 
My father had Three years service and experience in the 11 TH Field Artillery from 1937 to 1940 before signing over to the 11 TH BGH in 1940. His prior training gave him a head start with munitions etc. He also was trained in Chemical Warfare.
 
The various Classifications seem to indicate a lesser or greater degree of training. When the 11 TH BGH returned to Hawaii from the Pacific in 1943 he was then used to train the NEW replacement Armorers at Hickam for their new B-24's. If I can reduce them I have four letters of recommendation for his promotion to Warrant Officer by four Officers I will post them.
 
A LT. John Krey who lives in Florida signed one of the letters called me a couple years ago. He asked me if my father ever told me that he was ordered not to fly as a gunner? I said no, LT. Krey said they had so few officers and few highly trained men as your father in the Pacific for Armament work their Commander ordered him to stop flying as gunner at the request of some lower ranked officers.
 
My father just wanted to go home and raise a family he had been in the service since 1937, he lost close friends within seconds of the Japanese Attack on Hickam. Once he had to go out to try to recover what remained of a crash bomber. He found a friend's jaw bone. For years he struggles with foot problems from fungus, diseases and the wet of the jungles they lived in.  Lt. Krey was still upset with my father for not signing over and he nicely told me us.
 
I dont know what the story is but after reading the training for the various Armorer Classification I think I would have wanted the 911 working on my guns etc.

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Sincerely, PA.Dutchman
Son of T/Sgt. Ray "Bud" Heilman

11 TH F. A. 1937-40
Schofield Barracks
11 TH BGH 42 Sq.1940-45
Hickam 12/7/1941
USAAC Armorer 911
P.U.C.
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Re:Description, and Responsibilities of Various Armorer Rating during 2011/01/15 17:53:20 (permalink)
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I have a T/O from 1 Jul 41 (1-112), for Hq & Hq Sq, Bombardment Group (Heavy), and it shows Aircraft Armorer as 011 (for all grades).  Was there a change in the MOS number  to 911, later in the war?
After checking a T/O for 1 Jul 42, I see that Armorers were listed in that table as MOS 511.  It is also the MOS for Aerial Gunners.  The only difference I see is that they are called Aircraft Armorers in the 1941 table, and just plaine Armorers in the 1942 table.  None are listed as MOS 911, which may have come later.


Mark,
During my time, 1944/45, the aerial gunner was a 611 MOS [he was called a career gunner, [i.e., no additional tech school],, and an armorer gunner was 612 MOS.
Bob

Bob Gilbert
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Ball Turret Gunner, Goldin crew
381st Bomb Gp., 533rd Bomb Sq.
US 8th Air Force
Author: "The View From The Bottom Up" memoir
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