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CONUS airfield units - specifically AAC hospital units

So, I am interested in the story that might be uncovered by the records and so forth of base hospitals.  Can anyone let me know if I should look at the base unit records or would they have their own seperate records?
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Tom P.

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    Hello Wendover Tom,
    There are many resources where bits of information can be gleaned but, if you want the history of the medical detachment of a WWII, European Theatre base then I can whole heartedly recommend a book called Flight Surgeon by Lt. Col. Ernest Gaillard, Jr., MD USAAF-MC (Ret.). It is the complete and unabridged combat medical diary or the USAAF, 381st Bombardment Group, 242nd Medical Dispensary, Station 167 Ridgewell, Essex, England from 1943 to October 1944 when Col. Gaillard relinquished command.
    There is an absolute mountain of interesting information in here and the book is readily available from Amazon. (No, I am not on commission).
    ISBN 1-4107-4671-2
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    Jim


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    Almost every station in the Continental U. S. had an unnumbered Medical Detachment assigned to it.  That detachment was called either (Station Hospital) or (Station Dispensary).  The size of each detachment was determined by the amount of beds needed at that station.  According to Table of Organization 8-560, Jul 42, the smallest Station Hospital was 25-bed hospital for a station of 500 men.  Any station below 500, would have a dispensary.  The next in sizes would be 50-bed, 75-bed, 100-bed and so on up to 900-bed.  That math means beds were allocated at 5% of the total station strength.
    The history of these Station Hospitals would be on microfilm at Maxwell AFB, most likely with the base at which they were assigned.

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    Mark,
    Don't know the absolute facts regarding the terminology dispensary v. hospital. I suspect things were different in active theatres of operations as, although the hospital at Ridgewell was officially designated a dispensary, it was for a base of 3000 men and had an operating theatre, mortuary, three wards and other facilities.


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    I have the complete history of Columbus Army Flying School Mississippi Medical Hospital in pictures if you are interested send me a note and I'll email it to you
    Also
    check this link THE MEDICAL SERVICE OF THE AAF
     http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/VI/AAF-VI-13.html

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    Jtennet,
    That would be true, if he was asking about hospitals in overseas theaters, but the title of this thread is "CONUS airfield units - specifically AAC hospital units".
    CONUS means Continental United States, not the ETO, MTO, etc.
    The ETO (Elite Theater of Operations) had it own set of Tables of Organization, separate from the CONUS and the rest of the AAF.  Any study of units in the ETO would involve inflated numbers of units and personnel. Some of those units only existed in the ETO and nowhere else. The Station Dispensary is one of those units.

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    Mark,
    I had no idea of what CONUS meant - I do now.
    I consider myself suitably chastised.
    The book I mentioned is still fabulous though.
    Take care,
    Jim
     


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    Wendovertom
    FYI:  The two continental US base histories I have both include station hospital histories, as well.  Although I haven't read them carefully, they appear to include info on staffing, buildings and construction, rehab, etc.  One history even documents a 5 day bivouac by 30 EM and 7 O of the medical detachment.
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    Jtennet,
    I am sorry that it seemed like being chastised.  I guess I thought everyone knew what CONUS stood for.  Aka Zone of the Interior, Home sweet home.

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    DaveT,
    The link you gave does not go to the book Medical Services with AAF, but to the history of AAF in WWII, Vol. VI.
    It should be:
     
    http://www.au.af.mil/au/a...ical_services_wwii.pdf

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    Hi Mark,
    I was only joking 
     
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    Jtennet,
    I am sorry that it seemed like being chastised.  I guess I thought everyone knew what CONUS stood for.  Aka Zone of the Interior, Home sweet home.




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    Military Hospitals Directory & Histories via this Link:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/87385922/Military-Hospitals-History
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    Sorry for the slow response, Thanks everyone!
    Tom P. 
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    I can't believe I missed this in March.
     
    I never heard of SCRIB before , but I may download TeamCAP's link when I get home.  However, it raises an issue that also exists with "Depots" and "Schools."
     
    There were Hospitals that were organizations.
    There were Hospitals that were were stations. (not many, most all of the ones I know about were 1945 era Convalescent Hospitals -- some of which were old resort hotels).
     
    And as the link shows, there were Hospitals that were buildings.
     
    As organizations, mbee has covered the fact that in most places the medical organizations were part of the Medical Corps, not the Air Corps.  There were a few "Station Hospitals", but most were detachments.
     
    I presume your question is about organizations.  Right?

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    Bernie,
    I am looking for info on the base hospital (specifically Wendover Airfield hospital).  I have no idea about the organization structure.  I do know that it was a 300 bed hospital with everything from dental to surgery and morgue.  I have talked with a few people with the 509th who actually gave birth at the hospital while there with their husbands.
    It seems that the hospital records would also help shed light on the daily operations of the airfield.
    So, in the end, I am learning more about this specific area which I know little of and also wanted to find out where to hunt these type of records down!
    Tom P.
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    There's no separate medical organization among the units I know of at Wendover before 1955, so I would guess that prior to spring 1944 the hospital would have been run by the Medical Detachment that formed part of the base complement at Wendover, and afterwards as part of the 216th AAF Base Unit.

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    As I said in one of your other posts on Wendover AAB, Check out the AF History Index.  The base history will go into buildings and grounds, and the histories of permanent units stationed at the base.

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    wendovertom

    So, I am interested in the story that might be uncovered by the records and so forth of base hospitals. 

    What's the story?

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