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Button Nose
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04/02/2007 04:44:12 PM
In the caption with the picture of the Button Nose B17 it says the plane was lost on 8/8/44. I don't believe this is true, unless the documentation I have is inaccurate. My father-in-law flew on that plane during most of 1944, and his last mission was on 24 Dec 1944.
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 05:02:35 PM
He would have flown on different aircraft within the 535th squadron. "Button Nose" went down near Caen, France, on August 8, 1944, crew successfully bailed out and were quickly back in Allied hands.
Scott Burris, 381st BGMA LTM ArmyAirForces.com
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 05:12:40 PM
I looked through the little documentation I have and it does not list the plane that he flew in for any given mission. The references I have to 'button nose' are from his accounts, two pictures I have of the crew in front of the plane, and a few newspaper articles. Is there any way to find out which planes he flew in? I was always under the inpression he flew in the same plane the whole time.
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 05:38:08 PM
Not to worry, it's a very common misconception. Our family always thought my grandfather had been shot down and killed on board the one aircraft we knew about. We had a picture of his crew in front of it so it seemed right. Instead they were shot down flying a completely different aircraft and it didn't even have a name...which as it turned out was also common.
If you provide his name, it is is usually possible to determine which planes with a little digging.
Edit: If you have his mission list or diary, are there any numbers written down with each mission? Aircraft were often referred to just by the last 3 or 4 digits of the tail number.
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 05:52:24 PM
That's alright. No need to dig. The numbers are not on his mission lists - but I honestly don't think its all that important. I think the family - those of us that talk about this stuff, anyway, - like the idea that the 'button nose' was his plane. Accuracy, in this case, serves no purpose.
Fact is, he lived through it and went on to have a family. Thank you very much Anthony B. Tabor, T. Sgt., 535th BS, 381st BG, Button Nose radio man and gunner.
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 05:56:30 PM
I do have one more question for you, if you don't mind. I just built a flag display case for Tony's casket flag, and am ordering a brass plaque for it. Am thinking of...
Anthony B. Tabor
T.Sgt. - US Army Air Corp - WWII
6 December 1920 - 22 August 2005
Is the US Army Air Corp correct? That is what he always said he was in, but looking back through his documents, I don't really see it referred to that way. What should it say?
Thanks!
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 06:22:21 PM
Oh you'll love this. The name can be a great bone of contention as well. Short answer? No, he was not in the Army Air Corps, he was in the Army Air Forces.
The name Army Air Corps had great cachet though, and was often seen on early recruiting posters. Their generation grew up with the Air Corps as the name they knew. The reorganization of Army aviation in the run up to the war is pretty convoluted. The Air Corps continued to exist, but after June 1941 ended up in a different box below the Army Air Forces on the organizational chart and was not responsible for combat operations.
Like the aircraft name, put what you feel comfortable with.
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 06:39:22 PM
Guest- Just a FYI:
Photos Of # 337704 " Button Nose:
Book - Flying to Glory: The B-17 Flying Fortress in War and Peace by Martin Bowman. Page 112
National Air and Space Museum Library:
Photo # 56634AC
Photo # K2260 - Color Photograph
Your Father in Law was a True Hero , God Bless Him !
Regards, Mike
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RE: Button Nose
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04/02/2007 07:35:08 PM
Thanks! I just ordered a copy of the book. Can I find those images online somewhere? Or is that a trip to Washington? I looked around the SIL website and tried a few of their search engines, but came up empty. I imagine I could email one of their librarians... eh?
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Re: RE: Button Nose
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08/17/2008 11:42:14 AM
I'm french and i believe that the button nose is the plane crashed in Cahagnolles (my village in Normandy) the 8/8/44. I know ltn Long, he was a crew on the Button nose the 8/08/1944.
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Re: RE: Button Nose
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08/17/2008 04:45:28 PM
There is also a nice color photo of "Button Nose" on the back cover of Ron McKay's book "381st Bomb Group" published by Squadron/Signal Publications
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