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2008/03/22 01:45:49 (permalink)
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Big Springs Texas Bombardier School

Hi,
 
I recently bought a gard book for Class 43-9 "The Shack" and was very interested in the embossed set of bombardier wings on the cover. I am searching for photos of grads from this class or any class from the Big Springs that may shed light on the selection of this specific set of wings comonly known as the "Juarez" style.
 
If any vets from Big Springs can assist that would be super! If needed I can post a photo - just ask.
 
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John
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Re:Big Springs Texas Bombardier School 2008/12/22 12:38:23 (permalink)
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 Hi John
Do you know if the 314 or 315 Bomb Wing were deployed from Big Spring. I'm trying to get information about my dad Charles Umholtz  was a flight engineer with the the 20th Air Force in Guam. He was deplyed from big Spring

Good lucK with your efforts!!

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Re:Big Springs Texas Bombardier School 2008/12/22 13:02:21 (permalink)
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John,
I am the owner of a website dedicated to bombardiers.  I am also building collection of class books and photos which I make available at no charge to vets or family members and for posteritys sake.  Would you be willing to loan me the book for a few days so that I can scan it?  Several other members of this forum have done so in the past.
 
Please contact me via my sites email address below.
 
Dave
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Re:Big Springs Texas Bombardier School 2008/12/23 23:23:42 (permalink)
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I am not sure about the 315 but as for the 314 check here http://39th.org/39th/history.htm
 
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Re:Big Spring Texas Bombardier School 2008/12/25 16:01:46 (permalink)
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The 314th and 315th Bombardment Wings were both Second AF units before they deployed to the Pacific.
 
A lineage of the 314th is at:
 
http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10130
 
And a lineage of the 315th at:
 
http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10131
 
 Big Spring (no "s") AAF (later Webb AFB from 1951-1977) was a bombardier training base under AAF Central Flying Training Command.  After completing bombardier training there, a newly minted bombardier who was going to be assigned to Twentieth AF would report to one of Second AF's operational training units, replacement training units, or the cadre for a Bombardment Squadron destined for the Pacific.

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Re:Big Spring Texas Bombardier School 2010/07/25 15:50:07 (permalink)
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Question to all,
     As we are going to be representing the ground crews assigned to Big Spring, TX.  I need to know who the engineering section was assigned to in the 40's.  Thanks!
 
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Re:Big Spring Texas Bombardier School 2010/07/27 17:24:28 (permalink)
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Here is a list of units at Big Spring Army Air Field on 1 Jul 1943:
AAF Bombardier School
78th Bombardier Training Group - Hq & Hq Sq
    812nd Bombardier Training Squadron
    815th Bombardier Training Squadron
    816th Bombardier Training Squadron
    817th Bombardier Training Squadron
365th Base Hq and Air Base Squadron
359th Aviation Squadron *
1047th Guard Squadron
386th Sub Depot
315th AAF Band
3rd Airways Communications Squadron - Det
3rd Weather Squadron - Det
Finance Detachment
Medical Detachment *
Veterinary Detachment
857th Signal Service Company, Aviation - Det
908th Quartermaster Service Company, Aviation - Det
983rd Quartermaster Platoon, Transportation Air Base *
2052nd Ordnance Company, Aviation (Service) - Det #08

* = colored unit

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Re:Big Spring Texas Bombardier School 2010/07/28 10:54:11 (permalink)
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The units Mark mentions were replaced on 1 May 1944 by the 2509th AAF Base Unit (Bombardier School), which managed the base until after the end of the war.

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Re: Big Springs Texas Bombardier School 2013/07/16 00:09:11 (permalink)
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John ... I know this is an old post ... But my Dad graduated in that Bombadier Class of 43-9 from Big Springs Bombadier School. You will see him in the book you have - John A. Pappas - Indianapolis
His sevice lasted till the end of the war. He was in three (3) B-24 Crashes. And at the end of the war ended up in a chest high body cast from the last one.... And had a bullet wound in his right leg.
A very Charismatic Person, Not crippled from his injuries, He never spoke of his service but always kept his uniforms and pertainent materials in his Den Closet. Even his little mission books.(he would not be happy I wrote that ... He considered those little code books sacred ... Told me "no one should ever see those" my comment of "who could read'em Pop?" Was confronted with "that doesn't matter ....put them back") .... And boxes of photos ..... (That's how I discovered he had been injured and in a waist high cast... I have his Red Cross Cane from his rehab too)
One time he said he really didn't like night time flying .."landing was hell"... Never Commented much else except to say ... He loved the B-24, There were more Air Fields in Texas than the entire Country combined and when asked about his service as a Bombadier he would say .... "That's nothing we really need to talk about".... Although one time he made a comment on a mid trip refueling on a long flight.
He would be 93 today .... He died at age 80 in 2000.
I too would have like to have known more ( a lot more).... But like most of these WWII Guys my Dad was very quite about his service..... a very strong willed Patriot.....
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