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Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 07:43:41 AM
I'm working on a 4 foot X 6 foot poster for the Air Museum of Kentucky. I'm taking the 15th AAF Organizational Chart, blowing it up and adding color pictures of the most representative plane and person/crew.

So,

1. Who is the most famous/recognized person/crew of the 455th?
 
2. What is the most recognized/famous plane of the 455th?


Examples:

For my dad's group, the 97th B.G.:

1. Paul Tibbets, Jr.

2. The "All American"

For the 332 F.G. (Redtails):

1. Benjamin O. Davis

2. "By Request"

John

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Son of Herman E. "Ed" Croft,
T/Sgt. Flt. Engineer of Nick Kantar crew # 90
342nd Sqdn., 97th BG (H)
Amendola Airfield Foggia, Italy
9 Oct. ’44 - May 25, ‘45
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 08:05:49 AM
I am not sure what it takes to be considered the most famous or recognized Pilot/Plane of the 323rd BG 455th BS.  However, my Father, Capt. Reid C. Pulver, was a leader of the 455th.  His plane was B-26 YU-Z  Tail#42-107661.  His crew consisted of Hank Moen, Art Duncan, Russ Anys and Bill Turocy.  Pulver is mentioned in the Book, "Marauder Men" by John Moench.  Many of the difficult missions of the 455th were led by Pulver and this crew.  Moen and Anys are still living.  Old photos of the plane and some of the crew are available. 
 
Recent information has been posted indicating that this crew was informed during the War that they had earned, and were to be given the DFC, but unfortunate circumstances allowed that to become an oversight.  The children of the crewmembers are trying now to gather verification of this information in an attempt to rectify the oversight.
 
If anyone has anything that will help in proving that the DFC is due to these men, we would appreciate your assistance.
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 09:00:55 AM
From my reading and research, the most famous aircraft was either "Teepe Time Gal" or "YoYo", and of course Senator Gerorge McGovern was the most notable person.

John
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 12:27:35 PM
I'll agree the most noteable or famous person for the BG would be George McGovern.  "Teepee Time Gal", "YoYo" or maybe "BestWeDu" would be the aircraft.
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 01:10:17 PM
Loretta,
 
You provided some good information but the post was concerning the 455th BG, not 455th Squadron. B-24s, not B-26s. This is not meant to hurt your feelings so please don't take it that way.
 
Vic
Vic Walzel, brother of 1st Lt Leland H. Walzel, bombardier with the 93rd Bomb Group, 330th Squadron. KIA 6 March 1944 on his 25th mission.
www.lelandwalzel.150m.com
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 06:27:49 PM
LOL!! Gentelmen, and Ladies, I am sure that the one thing we can agree on is that the planes and crews of our parents (my father in my case) and grand-parents should be the most representitive. I would nominate my fathers plane and crew. I have the following reasons.
1. Only gunner in the 455/741 to receive an iron cross first class
2. Only pilot to get DFC and recomendation for court martial in consecutive missions
3. Never had any casulties. NO purple herats in over 50 missions. (total of 9 battle stars)
 
The truth is that every one of the men who got in those planes every mission deserve recognition. And not one of them would welcome it.
 
John A. Daniel
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/11/2008 06:58:14 PM


1. Only gunner in the 455/741 to receive an iron cross first class


Oh, that is a story that deserves to be told.  Please.  :)
Tommy Thompson
Grandson of Albert "Tommy" Thompson
465th BG, 781st BS ~ Pantanella, Italy
May-August 1944
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/12/2008 04:19:31 PM
If it's possible to purchase copies of your poster when it is complete, I'd be very interested.
Bob Siegel
Son of Lt. Col. Seymour W. Siegel, USAF Ret., Decd.
Pilot, 455 BG, 743d BS, 7/44 - 10/44
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/12/2008 07:11:28 PM
Why would/how could a USAAF airman recieve a German Medal for Valor, "The Iron Cross" ?. Mayhaps a typing error ?.
Fair Winds and following seas.
John, (GM 3/C USS Frost DE 144)

Kin to LT. John W. Farnkopf
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/14/2008 12:55:35 PM
Bob Seigel,

I don't know how much it's going to cost to produce yet. I haven't looked into it as I'm gathering all the info but if the price isn't prohitive for you I certainly don't mind.
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John

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Son of Herman E. "Ed" Croft,
T/Sgt. Flt. Engineer of Nick Kantar crew # 90
342nd Sqdn., 97th BG (H)
Amendola Airfield Foggia, Italy
9 Oct. ’44 - May 25, ‘45
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/14/2008 01:19:26 PM
GUYS, GUYS! PLEASE FOCUS ON THE TASK AT HAND! I'd love to put MY FATHER'S picture and plane up in his group's place. I can't in good conscience do that, knowing that there are better (and by better I mean more recognizable) representatives of the 97th. NO DOUBT EVERYONE'S FATHER OR RELATIVE DESERVES TO BE UP THERE.

My purpose is get the most recognized/recognizable person or crew and plane to represent the entire group - to put it another way the most representative plane, person, crew for this (and every) group of the 15th Air Force.

Barring any famous people like Paul Tibbets (my father's group representative, which could have just as easily been Jimmy Doolittle) -

Who would your group have voted to represent them as a whole?
 
(Unless you can come up with someone else, I have to agree with John Rohrer, that George McGovern is a pretty notable representaive!) 

And what plane can best exemplify or be identified with your group?
 
In a sea of museum displays I must use bright colors, planes of notoriety and the most notable characters to gain attention - then perhaps I can tell some of our father's stories - when I have their attention! 
<message edited by jcrossed on 04/14/2008 01:36:10 PM >
John

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T/Sgt. Flt. Engineer of Nick Kantar crew # 90
342nd Sqdn., 97th BG (H)
Amendola Airfield Foggia, Italy
9 Oct. ’44 - May 25, ‘45
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/14/2008 02:11:58 PM
Given the criteria Mr. McGovern is probably the best choice for the 455th. It may also be that his is the best known plane, if only because of "Wild Blue." There are few in the 15ht AF as famious as "The Memphis Belle" of the 8th AF, or "Lady be Good," or "Enola Gay." As the 455th was just one of many workhorse groups, perhaps the best choice is the plane that made the most missions. Does anybody know which one that might be?
John A. Daniel
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/14/2008 02:49:36 PM
Note to jcrossed
 
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 04/15/2008 08:53:15 AM
Thanks guys, this helps!
John

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Son of Herman E. "Ed" Croft,
T/Sgt. Flt. Engineer of Nick Kantar crew # 90
342nd Sqdn., 97th BG (H)
Amendola Airfield Foggia, Italy
9 Oct. ’44 - May 25, ‘45
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RE: Best of the 455th BG - 05/24/2008 03:59:44 PM
A worthy project, John Croft.


My purpose is get the most recognized/recognizable person or crew and plane to represent the entire group — to put it another way the most representative plane, person, crew for this (and every) group of the 15th Air Force.

Barring any famous people like Paul Tibbets (my father's group representative, which could have just as easily been Jimmy Doolittle) —

Who would your group have voted to represent them as a whole?


_______ I have a hard time believing the original members of the 455th Bombardment Group of the 15 Army Air Force would regard (even retrospectively) George McGovern as even remotely notable. Far more likely to have won collective acclaim as most notable, most memorable, most "worthy" and representative was the cool and courageous founding Group Leader, Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth A. Cool.


_______ "Given the criteria Mr. McGovern is probably best choice for the 455th . . . ," saith one of the others.

_______ I think not. Senator McGovern is notable only as a politician upon whom one writer chose to dwell in writing a book about B-24s. Focusing attention on Senator McGovern in the 455th quite easily could engender the same sort of resentment that the 455th Bombardment Group may have felt in the '40s, when Hollywood and the Press gave some the impression that the only "notable" bomber was the B-17.

_______ If the most notable plane in the 455th is, as some have suggested, BestWeDu, then one might consider its most distinguished pilot as notable too: the daring and dauntless Group Commander, Lt. Col. Kenneth A. Cool.

_______ But who am I to say, after all? I was but eight months old at the time he was leading my uncle into battle up there.

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