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B26 "Sheboygan Redskin"

Is there anyone who has some info or photo`s about the B26 "Sheboygan Redskin" ??
The plane was shot down by a FLAK near Haltern in Germany on 19 march 1945 , three gunners survived the crash , the other three died.
 
The crew was :

Donald l Bergeron
John J Sherry
Reuben W Hartje (??)
Eber J Arnold
Lewis A Guernsey
Robert W Turner

The nickname of the B26 was "Sheboygan Redskin" and the B26 was stationed at the AAF station A-74 in France
We have adopted the name Robert W Turner at the Wall of Missing at the Amercian Cemetry in Margraten , this person is MIA since 19 March 1945.
I hope that anyone has some information about the B26 or it`s crew
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42-96213 "Sheboygan Redskin", coded H9-C, 394th BG / 586th BS
Lost on 19th March 1945. Shot down by flak after the bomb run on the mission to Haltern, Germany.
MACR#13040. Pilot, Lt. Eber J Arnold. 3 crew killed, 3 captured.
 
Link below has an illustration of Sheboygan Redskin, scroll down to 586th Bomb Squadron:
 
http://www.markstyling.com/b26_research.13.htm

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"Sheboygan Redskin" was shot down on March 22nd 1945 according to MACR 13040 and 394th BG history. Added nose art photo here with earlier crew from 1944.

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Interestingly both Pilot and Bombadier are not listed as missing.  Wonder how that happened.  If I had their IDPFs I could maybe figure out where the plane came down and if the pilot is still in the wreck.  But then, even if i find the site and report it to JPAC, it would still be years before we would see a recovery.  Danny
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i have a map were the plane went down at Haltern , i will post a scan of it tommorow , i also tried to get in touch with the city of Haltern , no replay until now.

the macr gives this info about the crew : 
Eber J Arnold - pilot - mia
Robert W Turner - co-pilot - mia
John J Sherry - bombardier - mia
 
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According to ABMC, the pilot and bombadier are not listed as missing.  This would indicate they were found after the war and returned to the US.  Danny
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Here is a link to the burial spot of Eber James Arnold, died 22 Mar 1945,   date of service was 9 June 49.
http://unc.cemeterydata.com/BOW/view?personID=UNC73498L
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On this database of Remains not Recovered after WWII,  (this may be the same thing  SSG Keay refers to above but a link was not given),  only Turner still is listed.   Neither Sherry or Arnold are on the list.  I would agree their bodies were recovered/identified in the late 40s, after the first MIA lists were printed.
http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/wwii/reports/
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as the date of service was 9 June 49 , does that mean that the bodys were recoverd from the crash site around 1948 / 1949?? or were the burried by the germans and re-burried later in the USA? 
Then it`s possible that Robert W Turner is still inside the wreck , i can`t find anything about the recovery of the wreck .
 
thanks for al the information so far.
 
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There are probably a couple of  possibilities.
1. The Germans may have been unable to identify the bodies, but removed and buried them .  Those bodies were recovered after the war and it took a while to identify them. Perhaps the Germans never recovered the third body.  If the plane burned on the ground, it is possible that a body was destroyed beyond recovery.   I am not sure how fast the US was able to identify "unknowns" after the war.  They have been recovered quite soon after the war, but it took quite a while for the US to identify them.
 
2. All the bodies remained in the wreck and a US recover team was able to find/identify two of them but not the third.
 
If there are no records of the US doing any recovery on the crash site it may be the first possibility.   I will search a little more and see if I can find anything else, but I am not real hopeful.
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Today recieved an email from the community of Haltern , the names that i also have posted here was send by mail to the Haltern mail adres , reaction : , the names were not writtin down in the list of missing soldiers and airmen who died in Haltern or in its suroundings , but there were 12 uknown bodies , its possible that Robert W Turner is one of them , the other 2 of the Sheboygan crew were found later and burried .
 
I will send them some more info that i have found about the Sheboygan , hopefully there is ome more info in the Haltern archives.
 
Sorry for my poor English , i`m just a dutch truckdriver....
 
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My father is Reuben Hartje who was one of 3 survivors in this crash. He passed away last June 2009. Lewis Guernsey is the sole surviving Veteran of this crash.  Both he and my father were POW's at different camps post capture.
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this week i recieved the IDPF file of Robert W Turner , and a lot of new information was found in that file , also some old adresses .
 
can anyone tell me if there were more B26 marauder with the H-9C code ??
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There is two further H9*C coded aircraft known to me. These were 43-34286 and 44-68160. I do not know if they also carried any name, so any information about these or any other B-26 Marauder aircraft, is most welcome.
Regrettably in my research, including listing EVERY man and aircraft from Crew Loading Lists, I am finding that there is many errors that keep cropping up about about aircraft names, codes and serial number combination's. Most of these appear somewhere on the web, get copied by others, and then start to become 'de facto' by default! For example there is at least four aircraft names used by the 394th that were used on at least three aircraft. These were Thumper, Victory Read, Booby Trap and Invadin Maiden. There is pictures of some of these on the web which are clearly not the correct combination's, as they show the different painting of the aircraft, sometimes with the serial number clearly showing, but with the wrong text attached with them! Photo's and more photo's are needed to prove each and every combination! With also a (#X) showing if this is the same name, but on a different aircraft!
ww2buddies.com has a lot of good photo's and I am working with them to clear up a few errors that appear there.
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today i`l found out that robert w turner did not belong to te regular crew of the sheboygan redskin , he was a pilot who had volunteered to take the place of someone in a different crew when he was shot down near Haltern, Germany March 22.
 
i also recieved a picture of the crew robert used to fly with , and a code is seen on the marauder behind the crew , it shows BF-8
 
the photo was taken in barks florida in 1944 , does anyone knows something about this plane??
 
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I wanted to reply to this forum.  Lewis Guernsey is alive and lives in Ionia, Michigan, 48846.  He has tried to reply to this forum.  Lewis is just now learning how to be on the net.  He would like to answer any questions about his capture and what actual happened the day that his plane went down.  Please feel free to contact him at: lewguern@ionia-mi.net--he would be thrilled to have a contact.
Sincerely, Nan Spaulding (Flag Lady)
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Thanks for the post !!, i will contact him this week.
 
I hope to get some answers.
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FlagLady

I wanted to reply to this forum.  Lewis Guernsey is alive and lives in Ionia, Michigan, 48846.  He has tried to reply to this forum.  Lewis is just now learning how to be on the net.  He would like to answer any questions about his capture and what actual happened the day that his plane went down.  Please feel free to contact him at: lewguern@ionia-mi.net--he would be thrilled to have a contact.
Sincerely, Nan Spaulding (Flag Lady)


I tried to get in tough with mr Guernsey, but no respond until today, and 1 time the email was returned, i hope that the email shown in this post is correct.
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This message is posted here with the permission from Virginia Turner Wenger.
 
In the hope that Lewis Guernsey is reading this.
 
 

Dear Mr.Guernsey,
 
    Gert Poelman who has taken on the responsibility of the memorial of Robert W. Turner on the Wall of the Missing at the American Cemetery at Margraten in the Netherlands has kindly shared your e-mail address with me.
    It is my understanding that you were a member of the crew along with
Robert Turner when the B-26 was shot down over Haltern.  (Gert now has placed the place of the crash at Velen.)  Robert Turner was my husband and during wartime and immediately after we got little or no information so anything that you can tell me about that day would be most appreciated.  I did get the record for him from the Washington archives but it didn't tell me much. 
Gert informed me that "Bob had filled in for the regular co-pilot that day.

    I am glad that you survived and I hope that you have had a happy and productive life.  I look forward to hearing from you.(Were you a prisoner?)
 
Sincerely,
Virginia Turner Wenger
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 just learing to reply or using this net, have much news,now  I will see if this goes thro. Write me on E mail I don't have your address, lew yes I was a P O W .
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