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2002/07/23 14:39:40 (permalink)
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B-24 "Tulsamerican"

I am seeking information on a B-24, the "Tulsamerican." This bomber was lost on December 17, 1944 in the Adriatic Sea off the coast of Croatia following a bombing raid on Odertal. The bomber was assigned to the 461st B.G., 765th Squadron. The Tulsamerican was the last B-24 off of the lines at the Douglas plant in Tulsa, and was purchased with war bonds bought by Tulsans. I am a lifelong Tulsan, and have started trying to determine what role this bomber played in the war, and where its final resting place might be. Right now, the best information I have places it somewhere southeast of the island of Vis off the coast of Croatia. If anyone has any information, I would be appreciative.



Thanks.

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Re: [Tulsaboy] B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2002/07/23 18:16:44 (permalink)
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HI :-) I can givev you the folowing information from Wally Forman's "B24 Nose Art Name Directory" :

a/c 42-51430 461stBG 765th BS "The Tulsa-American" NO pIcture.

I looked up the 461st BG and found the listing for the Membership...email [url "mailto:BOB461st@aol.com....Name"]BOB461st@aol.com....Name[/url] robert Hayes 2345Tail Sail Dr..Charleston,SC 29414-6570

Historian no name listed [url "mailto:email...fobannonjr@aol.com"]email...fobannonjr@aol.com[/url]

I would suggest you email the Historian and see what info he has. There may be a list of the downed a/c and crews....

(I have access to the B-17's of the 15 AAF but not the B-24's).

JIm :-)
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Re: [Tulsaboy] B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2004/02/12 07:49:48 (permalink)
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HI,
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/03/25 03:35:27 (permalink)
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There is (was) a picture of Tulsamarican nose & crew in the "Liberator" newsletter produced during the war. See attached. Closeups of the nose art are on the web site. Aircraft-765th Replacements Click on link.

B-24J
765th Bomber Squadron
Aircraft #24
Serial Number: 42-51430
MACR: 16507

A write up is on the group's website: www.461st.org

Ken

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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/03/25 06:25:32 (permalink)

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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/03/25 16:01:35 (permalink)
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Tulsaboy:
 
Visit the link: http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/amiap/
and click "Fallen Warrior" (in right hand window).
 
This is a story of the Tulsamerican.
 
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/06/13 01:46:17 (permalink)
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Thanks, Mike.  I'm the Kevin Gray that Mr. Landry cites in his acknowledgements at the end of the story.  Since my initial post almost 4 years ago, we've learned a great deal about the Tulsamerican.  I got to spend a wonderful afternoon with the widow of one of the survivors, John Toney.  She was incredibly gracious and shared with me many of her husband's pictures, artifacts and other memories of this aircraft.  We have made contact with a dive team in Croatia that has already made one dive in an effort to locate and identify the Tulsamerican's current location.  If anyone has any information about this aircraft not noted in Mr. Landry's excellent article, I would appreciate hearing about it.
 
Thanks again!
 
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/06/13 04:55:10 (permalink)
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Kevin:
 
You are welcome.
 
I have been in contact with Zejlko Bocek's dive team too. It seem they have located B-24 #42-51874 (451st BG) that ditched in Adriatic returning from Silesia in November 1944.
 
Regards,
Mike
 
 
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/06/22 01:39:51 (permalink)
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Tulsamerican diving project is not finished. Maybe we have position of wing close to first and unsuccsefull diving session. But wing can't provide aircraft identification; so searching for more parts is in progress.

Storry about our dives is here
http://forum.armyairforces.com/m_66480/tm.htm
post edited by zbocek - 2006/06/22 01:45:07

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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/06/22 05:47:04 (permalink)
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Zeljko,
 
Many thanks.
 
Good luck!
 
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/07/13 04:29:38 (permalink)
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Mike, are you one of the AMIAP members I met when we brought 461st BG vets to visit the Blechhammer area in 2000?

Please pass my best wishes on to Piotr Wisniewski! I drove him to Maxwell AFB when he visited the states shortly after our visit.

All the best,
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2006/07/14 08:39:27 (permalink)
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Hi Rob:
 
Nice to hear you.
 
Yes, I am one of the AMIAP members.
 
I will pass on your wishes to Piotr.
 
Best Regards,
Michal "Mike" Mucha
 
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RE: B-24 "Tulsamerican" 2010/06/05 10:31:10 (permalink)
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We found The Tulsamerican! CONFIRMED! Old mystery is solved! Please find the  pictures below







It is very important to point out the necessary cooperation of the local divers and the
responsible state institutions for the protection of the Croatian underwater cultural heritage, the Ministry of Culture and the Croatian Conservation Institute. This wreck is in the process of gaining heritage status to ensure it is not devastated due to its shallow depth and accessibility to most divers.

Best Regards,

Zeljko Bocek
post edited by zbocek - 2010/06/05 15:26:32

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