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It sounds like you are interviewing JAAF Captain Ryotaro Jobo who flew with 1st Field Reserve Squadron in defense of Singapore. He was living in Nagoya,Japan when Henry Sakaida printed JAAF Aces 1937-1945 in 1997.
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Ok Gents.. Latest email from Tom.... KAKI3152.. should know soon if your correct!
Bill-san The day before yesterday, my mail failed delivery due to my mistake. Sorry for that. Regarding the subject, next week I have appointment with the pilot engaged in the interception, who is now 89 years old and good shape in health. His memorandum describes as follows: 1. B29 He participated in the interception of B29 over Singapore about 10 times from Nov. 1945 to Mar. 1945. On Febuary 11 (may be Feb. 1) he waited the at the altitude of 6,000 meters, and started attack with full speed the leader plane of the 4 formation from the right front of the leader, which should not normally be done in this way, aware of hitting sound of bullets, kan kan kan ,to his plane (KI-43 Hayabusa-Oscar). The bullets hit the right 2 engines of the leader and white smoke changed to black, soon it changed to white. The plane started decending and escaped. The plane did not down. After landing, he noticed that the plane received 8 bullets, and one of them hit a gauge. He learned later the B29 ditched in the Indian Ocean. 2. B24 Late in June he was at the Limboeng (Rinbun ? - pronounced in Japanese). Intercepted with 2 Oscars B24 during period of June 3 - 29th. The B24 came for attacking transport ships. He dived from the left front of the B24 and shot down. The B24 with black smoke downed to the sea. After meeting with the pilot, I report you the details. Tom
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Regarding the B-29 loss of 42-24589. The raid on Singapore was on 1 Feb 45. The MACR for the loss, 12020 says the plane was hit by "Enemy Antiaircraft Fire or Fighter- #3 Engine on Fire". The 40th BG website: http://www.40thbombgroup.org/Archives/40thBG_Files/40thBG_Feb45.pdf says: “Just after bombs away aircraft #589 was hit by an enemy fighter and developed a fire between #3 and #4 engines. This aircraft was last reported on a heading of between 25 degrees and 30 degrees going in the direction of the rescue subs east of MALAYA in order to ditch." So the Japanese pilot's account would seem to agree with the above accounts of damage on the right wing of the plane, so it seems to me this is a possibility. Regarding the B-24 loss, it sounds like the plane went into the sea. I think we need the full descriptions of these events with the details before drawing any conclusions.
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Indeed, the details are enticing. I have a feeling that we've IDed both lost aircraft. In Edward Young's new book, B-24 Liberator vs Ki-43 Oscar, the author states in his conclusion that "(f)rom the beginning of 1944 until the end of the war, the Ki-43 would manage to shoot down only one more B-24" after pilots of the type claimed 31 Liberators shot down over China and Burma in 1943. The loss at Celebes may be this singular aircraft.
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KAKI3152... The pilot Tom is interviewing next week is not Jobo. He promised to send the pilots name after the interview. I do know that he was a Sgt.. Bill
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Gents.. Latest from Tom...
Today, I met Mr Toshio Seki (S.Sgt Seki) and talked about B29 and B24. He agreed to release his name as you asked. 1. B29 As described it before, the altitude of his Oscar was almost same with B29. The damaged B29 started decending, but he did not pursue it as he has to intercept next target. Later, he learned that a Japanese intelligence source monitered communications exchange between the B29 and the rescue unit that it ditched to the Indian Ocean. He does not,however, remember how soon after interception. 2. B24 The bombing warning for the Japanese transport ships at Maccasar port (Manuai) had been received well in advance so that 2 Oscars (S.Stg Seki and his comrade S.Sgt Suzuki took off from the Limboeng Airfield. There were 2 B24s in line (He thinks it was the first B24 intercepted). He thought the B24 went down to the sea, he is not sure. After returning to the base, his comrade, S.Sgt Suzuki told him it was Seki's credit as Suzuki's machine guns malfunctioned. With my conversation,knowing that the crews of these bombers are MIA and KIA, Mr. Seki feels very sorry for their fate,even though he had to do his duty as a soldier. He said that he always scared until he pull the trigger of the gun. Nowadays, he talks to the audience of the sessions how awful the war is through his experiences in the battle fields. Best Regards, Tom
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If we are correct that the B-24 was in fact 44-42431 (MACR 14925), lost on 25 Jun 45, a B-24M from the 2nd Bomb Squadron / 22nd Bomb Group then it went down on land, not in the sea. KIA does not quite describe what happened to the crew. Here are three newspaper articles related to the incident. The Sydney Morning Herald Wednesday 14 November 1945 American Airmen Beheaded In Lonely Jungle Cemetery Less than a fortnight ago exhumations made at alonely cemetery hidden from general view a few miles out of Makassar, capital of the Celebes, revealed further revolting Japanese crimes. The victims wereAllied airmen, whose bodies were headless. One skull was still blindfolded, and the ankles were bound. A touring investigation party visited a native village of hovels known as Daja, about 12 kilometres from Makassar. A narrow track led from the main road for a mile and a half through bamboos, and in a small clearing was a Japanese execution and burial ground. There were 24 small ,wooden crosses, all unmarked, in one corner of the area, but several unmarked graves were also discovered. In one shallow grave, in the reddish earth, was a body with ankles tied thrice with blackened cord. It was crouched forward, knees up to chin,and clad in military trousers. A medical man and a dentist were with the visiting party, and for almost two hours they carried out the grim task of learning of life from death. The trousers were those of an American airman. Medical opinion was that multiple blows, probably with as sword, had been rained on the victim. Two had severed the third cervical vertebra, another the right cheekbone, and another the first right rib bone. The American airman had been beheaded. Search for Evidence From another slightly deeper grave,further human bones were recovered and skulls. The quiet cemetery began to yield its grim secrets. Nowhere was there a sign of a coffin. In one grave, only a skeleton was found. The head was missing. The cemetery in the lonely, quiet bamboo grove is one part of the terrible story. The earlier part of the record comes from Makassar itself. It was there that the Tokki Tai (naval Gestapo) had their Headquarters. At the rear of their residence they constructed small stone prison cells, just high enough for a man to stand, and with little room to swing an arm. Allied airmen captured in several adjacent areas were carried to the cells and kept there after ill-treatment. They were given a cell each. There are bloodstains on the walls One dying, starving captured airman had scratched: "God be with me, mother." in blood. Sooner or later one, or two or more airmen were taken blindfolded and with legs bound to the unseen execution ground, the cemetery in the bamboos. But the prisoners were not taken quietly to their deaths, the Japanese made a festival of the executions. Natives tell the story of convoys of armed officers and guards in cars and motor cycles, with a prisoner bound and blindfolded in an open truck, proceeding through Daja to the little cemetry. From the examination of the skeleton and the position in which the body of the American Airman was uneathed, the scene at the cemetery was reconstructed. The prisoner, surrounded by ghoulish Japanese officers and guards. all heavily armed, was made to kneel at an open grave, still blindfolded, while a gleaming sword was swung ruthlessly upon his bared and bent neck. Laredo Times , January 28, 1947 (Also appearing in several local newspapers in Iowa, Arizona and Oklahoma) Jap Navy Officers Are Convicted Three Found Guilty of Beheading Four US Air Force Corporals MANILA Jan 28 1947, An American military commission today convicted three Japanese naval officers of war crimes for beheading four U S 13th Air Force corporals who bailed out of a bomber over Celebes on June 25, 1945. Capt Minoru Toyama, second in command of the Makassar naval base, was given life imprisonment and Jr Lieutenants Yoshiyuki Nakamura and Toyaki Inagaki were sentenced to 25 years. The base commander was given a life sentence in an earlier trial . The corporals, only survivors of a crash which killed six others were Gerald D Carson , Durant Oklahoma, Eugene L Farthing, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Wayne J Geltz, Keokuk lowa and Richard S Peyron, Tucson Ariz. Prosecutor Thomas J O'Connor, Bronx NY, traveled thousands of miles to gather evidence. Ottawa Citizen, Feb 14 1956 TOKYO (AP) - The U.S.Government notified Japan's foreign office it has granted a parole to Minoru Toyama, a war criminal sentenced to life in Toyko's Sugamo Prison.
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Rolland.. Thanks much for the info. It has been forwarded to Tom.. Bill
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Rolland.. Quick response from Tom: Bill-san Re: B29 Mr. Seki had been thought the B29 ditched to the Indian Ocean, and the crews were rescued alive until our discussion we had yesterday. Re: B24 According to his memory, the intercept was carried out over the shore line so that he thought it downed to the sea. Re: KI-43 The design of two tone mottle of brown and green varied depending on the time when the aircraft was delivered. In another words, there was no single design painted in production. Tom
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Bill, I read through MACR 14925 for B-24 44-42431. The planes were suppose to attack the airfield but for some reason 44-42431 could not stay in trail for the attack. The initial pass looks like it may have been from south to north and "431" was unable to follow in line and was seen to fly west, apparently alone, and pass over Makassar. It must have been attacked then and it continued to the north and crashed at/near Maros. As the rest of the planes turned and made a second pass over the airport, this time from north to south, smoke was seen in two locations near Maros. One of the smoke columns was probably the crash. Six crewman apparently died in the crash and were buried by the natives. An investigating officer was taken to the graves after the war, a difficult trek through rice paddies and swamps, and he commented in his report: " It was surprising with what care the natives had buried these men" . The four corporals were captured by the Japanese and taken to Makassar.
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... 2 Oscars (S.Stg Seki and his comrade S.Sgt Suzuki took off from the Limboeng Airfield. There were 2 B24s in line (He thinks it was the first B24 intercepted). He thought the B24 went down to the sea, he is not sure. After returning to the base, his comrade, S.Sgt Suzuki told him it was Seki's credit as Suzuki's machine guns malfunctioned.
That's impressive. The "Oscar" was not designed as a bomber interceptor and was lightly armed with but one pair of 12.7mm machine guns, roughly comparable to a pair of American .50 calibers. While the gun could fire a highly explosive round often mistaken for a cannon shell, it carried only 250 rounds each and had a slow rate of fire. To down a Liberator by a single Ki-43 is a feat. -- Alan
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Gents.. Just in from Tom... Bill-san
Yesterday, I told to Mr. Seki the fate of the crews of B24, six died in crash and 4 were executed by Japanese, and it seemed to me the information was a shock to him. He said that as a pilot he had to shoot down a plane, but in the plane there were human beings so that complicated emotion he has even now. The day before yesterday, I reviewed the last will of the Japaneses officers, soldiers and interpriters executed as war crime in Makassar marshal court so that I thought they were related to the execution of the crews. No matter what happened in the past, fact is fact and I as a Japanese feel guilty for the action the Japanese troop carried out. Thank you for your information. Tom
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Was mr. Seki with the 33rd Sentai flying Ki-43s from the Celebes?
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That's the best bet. SSgt Seki stated that he took off from Limboeng Airfield in the June '45 attack on the B-24. Young's book states that several units continued to utilize the Hayabusa even when more advanced fighters were being sent to other front-line sentais. "In other units in Burma and China the Type 4 fighter (the Ki-84 Hayate, said by Young to be "a formidable aircraft that was the equal of its Allied opponents") gradually replaced the Ki-43, with the 25th and 50th Sentais finally re-equipping with the Ki-84 towards the end of 1944. Other battles drained Ki-43 units away from Burma and China. The 33rd went first to New Guinea and then to the Philippines, where the 204th Sentai joined it in October 1944."
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Gents.. Tom is in the process of translating the info supplied by all of you and putting it into print for Mr. Seki. When he presents it, he will ask Seki to confirm what Unit he flew with. Bill
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I located some interesting information in researching Seki-san: Bill, his plane is pictured on the website "Wings Palette," along with cryptic remarks concerning the color scheme that you had inquired about:  Unit: 2nd chutai, 77th sentaiSerial: unknown The main profile depicts the later 'seven bar' Sentai symbol on the 2nd chutai aircraft of S.Sgt Toshio Seki, reported in Japanese sources to be in a most unusual wavy mottle of brown and green. Photographs of this aircraft suggest it may have carried a two tone mottle but this is by no means conclusive and could be due simply to the spraying technique used! Colour photographs show a two tone green effect. Seki ToshioArtist: © Nick Millman Source: J-aircraft.com
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Dear Bill-san Received the picture of Mr. Seki's Oscar with thanks, and I gave the copy to to him today. By knowing the fate of individual name of the crews he engaged with B29 and B24, he wished to express his deepest sympathy to the families concerned and pray for the crews to rest in peace, as he could not recognize their fate till he saw the MACR lists this time. 1. B-29 He attacked right front of the B-29 which started shooting about 1,000 meters ahead and the bullets hit his Oscar. He started shooting about 500 meters to the B-29 with about 40 rounds each. When passed over he, at a glance, recognized a picture like human-being drawn on the nose of the B-29. After returned the base, his Oscar counted 8 bullets, big holes on each wing , one hit the gauge through the engine. 2. B-24 After interception of the B-24 he returned to his home base in Singapore. He stayed in Limboeng airfield just 10 days. There were only 3 Oscars in Limboeng including his Oscar. 3. The Oscar: He belonged to No 2 Chutai with blue colored bar on the vertical wing; White for No 1 Chutai and Red for No3 Chutai. Here, I am sending you 2 pictures of Mr. Seki who agreed to release this picture to US side. He may, by any chance, visit the States although he is 89 years old but still studying at a college. Any information of the 2 aircrafts he will appreciate very much. Tom
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Ok Gents.. Latest from Tom-san.. Mr. Seki' history: Oct 1940 - Entered the Young Army Flight School. April 1943 Assigned to No 77 Sentai (Manchuri) Nov 1943 Advanced to Gerunbang airfield, Smatra. Jan 1944 Moved to Burma and Thailand. His first mission to attack allied airforce of fuel transport around China & Burma border. Feb 1944 His sentai assigned to move to Hollandia, he got sick and hospitalized in Singapore. After recovery, en route to Hollandia his plane had trouble at Bull Island, so he flew back to Singapore . January-February 1945 Interception of B29. March 1945 Joined Defense operaqtion of the Brunei Oil Field, Bruneo. April 1945 Joined to Temporary Air Defence Unit at Malan, Java and participated in many operations including defence of the transport fleet at Sandakan, Bruneo. June 1945 participate in the operation at limbueng, Cerebese. July 1945 Pukette, Malaya Participated in Special attack operation ( the so called Kamikaze attack) Tom
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