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2007/06/11 18:02:03 (permalink)
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B-24 Serial Numbers

I have a list of B-24 serial numbers from Pat Everson of the 448th BG Collection in Seething.  These are a/c that possibly my dad flew on.  How/where would I go about searching to find out the info on these a/c and crews?
 
Thanks in advance for your help.
Carol

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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/11 18:07:19 (permalink)
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Carol - Post the Serial #s.
We can find Historys , names etc.
Forum member Darin Scorza has a lot of 448th info.
Mike
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/11 18:37:43 (permalink)
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Mike ,
Thanks for your help.
The serial numbers are:   42-95182 H
                                         41-28819 C
                                         42-50326 N
                                         42-95083 A
                                         42-50767 S
                                         42-50759 T
                                         44-10498 H
                                         42-50727 H
                                         44-48806 S
                                         42-51247 E
                                         42-51288 J
                                         42-95305 R
                                         42-50482 O
                                         42-94762 H
 
Any info anyone can supply on these is greatly appreciated.
 
Just an aside to all this, I read a newsletter that Patricia included in her packet to me and there was a detailed account of the Queen Elizabeth crossing.  When I was cleaning out my dad's effects I found a lot of little things that had no meaning to me but must have meant something to him for him to have kept them for all these years.  One item that struck me as odd was a button that said KP.  It seems the 712th and 713th were on perpetual KP for the trip and the button was his ID.  If all I learn from all this is just about the button I will consider it a good day.  Anything more would make it a great day.
 
Thanks to everyone in advance for their help.
Regards,
Carol
 
 

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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/11 22:07:03 (permalink)
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Joe Baughers serials:
42-50326 (448th BG, 715th BS, *Eager One*) salvaged at Seething as a result of a taxiing accident Mar 15, 1945.

42-50759 (448th BG,715th BS) skieed off runway at RAF Station, Lissett, Yorkshire,   England Nov 16/17, 1944.  Salvaged between Nov 19 and 22, 1944.

42-50727 (448th BG, 714th BS) returned to USA Jun 1945

42-95085 (389th BG) salvaged at Hethel Mid Mar 1945 after left main landing gear collapsed
 
42-94762 (34th BG, "The Uninvited")

42-95182 (448th BG, 715th BS) lost Aug 24, 1944, Germany.  MACR 8292

44-48806 to RFC Walnut Ridge, Ark Jan 4, 1946

 
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/11 22:19:09 (permalink)
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41-28819, B-24H-15-DT
42-50326, B-24H-20-CF, EAGER ONE, 715th BS.  Salvaged; taxi accident Seething 15 MARCH45.
42-50482, B-24J-401-CF
42-50727, B-24J-1-FO, 714th BS.  Returned USA, JUNE45.
42-50759, B-24J-1-FO, 715th BS.  Salvaged; off runway at RAF Station at Lisset, Yorkshire on
     16/17NOV45.
42-50767, B-24J-FO
42-51247, B-24J-1-DT
42-51288, B-24J-1-DT
42-94762, B-24H-15-FO, THE UNINVITED, 34th BG.
42-95083, B-24H-25-FO
42-95182, B-24-H-25-FO, 715th BS.  Lost 24AUG44, Germany. MACR 8292.
42-95305, B-24H-30-FO
44-10498, B-24J-55-CF
44-48806, B-24J-20-FO to RFG Walnut Ridge, Arkansas 04JAN46.
post edited by donall - 2007/06/11 22:26:27
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/12 17:07:08 (permalink)
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Carol -
KP - Kitchen Police 
Food preparation , cleaning etc.
It seems  - of the B - 24s listed , none were in 712th Sq.
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/12 19:02:13 (permalink)
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Mike,
I'm really getting discouraged, every half step forward is like 3 steps back. 
 
My dad spoke of one person that he flew with in his diary named Bill Hartman.  Patricia sent me a page of some sort of order that had a William J Hartman on it.
 
The order reads:
    2. HRS in compliance with par2, SO195, Hq AAF Sta 238, APO 639, dtd 19 jul 44, *oll named O and EM are asgd to orgns indicated;
                                             162NO O-33 FD 333IJ (APO 12 IJ 44)
                                                         715 Bm Sq 448 Bm Gp (H)
                                          F/O DODSON B. CRAYBEAL          T123734 AC
                                          F/O WILLIAM G. PAYNE                T124156 AC
                                          2ND LT WALTER A. FORD             0717420 AC
                                          F/O WESLEY W. PALMER              T2225     AC
                                          Sgt (757) Donald D. Renkel         32767448
                                          S/Sgt (748) Joe Dovico                37654273
                                          Cpl (757) John C. Adams             39037615
                                          Cpl (611) Richard J. Byrne           33733437
                                          Cpl (611) William J. Hartman  33795867   
                                          Cpl Douglas E. Walker                 38507353
 
This is one of 4 lists like this on the order.  There is one each for the 712 BS, 713 BS, and 714 BS.  I'm not 100% sure this is the correct Hartman either.
 
 My dad's first mission was 7/29/44.  Might they have moved Hartman to the 712BS in the 10 days between the order and my dad's first mission?  OR might my dad have subbed for another bomb squad?  My dad mentions 3 missions that Hartman WAS NOT on because of a nose injury so I have to assume that he was at least on the mission before the mention and came back to the crew after the 3 missions he missed.  This also leads me to believe that my dad was part of the same crew for a period of time and was not just a sub.  I may be totally off base in my thinking but this seems the logical way to go.
 
As always,  thanks in advance for any and all help.
Regards,
Carol
 

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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/12 20:50:29 (permalink)
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Carol,

Maybe this is of no interest to you but the 611 by Hartman's name was his MOS or his specialty which was aerial gunner. 748 was for flight engineer and 757 was for radio operator. If you have your father's MOS number, you can look it up on the MOS database on the homepage here.

As to KP, there is the old joke about two guys peeling potatoes and one asked the other what KP meant. His buddy replied "from the look on the seargent's face, I think it means "keep peeling".
 
There is a definite possibility that your father could have filled in on other squadrons or that Hartman could have done the same.
When the need arose, for whatever reason a crew was shorthanded, others filled in as needed.

Vic
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/12 21:53:18 (permalink)
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Vic,
Thank you =o)
 
My dad's MOS was 747 Engine and Airplane Mechanic.  I also Know for a fact he flew 18 missions with some evidence that he flew a total of 30 missions.  I would just love to put some identification to some of his momentos and pictures. 
 
I have an awesome series of pictures of a bridge being bombed and destroyed.  He never wrote when where or anything like that.  I'm going to start scanning his stuff soon so I'll be able to post some of the better ones.
 
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 00:36:47 (permalink)
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Carol,
My father, Tom Horton, flew B-24 42-50727 back to the USA when the 448th was ordered home in June, 1945.  A copy of the order with the serial number is here:
http://www.pbase.com/azttttommy/image/76653287
A pictures of the aircraft, POKOMOKO Special are here:
http://www.pbase.com/azttttommy/image/76724074
http://www.pbase.com/azttttommy/image/76724077
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 07:08:46 (permalink)
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Thank you everyone for all your help and input!!!
 
My dad's orders home date 5 June 45 were on  B-24-L  44-49995
  Shipment # 10060 MZ
  Crew # 5 of 72
  Project #92950-R
  Pilot:  Axel B Johnson 0705396

My dad was a passenger.  Does anyone have any info on this A/C?

Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Carol
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 07:22:28 (permalink)
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B-24L-15-FO, #44-49995 to RFC Kingman 07 DEC45.
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 08:17:42 (permalink)
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What is RFC?
 
Thanks,
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 08:43:15 (permalink)
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RFC = Reconstruction Finance Center.
Basically a facility to store surplus a/c which were sold to the civilian market;
i.e. P-51 @ $3500, B-25 @ $8250, B-17/24 @ $13,750, etc..
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 10:20:57 (permalink)
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Thanks Don
 
I've found that there is a B-24 on display at Fantasy of Flight in Polk City, FL
Does anyone have any information/history on this a/c?
 
I live about 45 minutes from there and am thinking about going out there to see it.
 
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 14:15:19 (permalink)
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Carol - Probably the only way to find Missions is order the micro film records
of the 712th Sq. from 7/44 - 6/45.
These should have Loading ( Crew ) Lists , Morning Reports Etc.
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 15:04:25 (permalink)
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Mike,
I received the info on the reels that I need last week.  I will be placing the order next week.  I just needed to find out where the closest microfilm machine was before I made the investment.
Thanks for all your help,
Carol

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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/13 21:40:59 (permalink)
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Carol,
 
The Collings Foundation has a B-24, B-17 and B-25 that tour the country and I believe are based in Florida. You can check out their site at www.collingsfoundation.org/fe_whatis.htm. They are worth going to see when they are in the area. The tour schedule is listed.
 
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RE: B-24 Serial Numbers 2007/06/14 11:33:43 (permalink)
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Carol,
I Tip my Hat to you for your tenacity in this search.
I really hope the films give you the Info you seek.
When you get the Crew Lists , there should be the last 3 digits of the Serial #
of the B - 24 flown on the mission.
If you find them - post them and I can find Full # and Name , if any.
Keep Em Flyin,
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Vic,
I went to Keystone Heights, FL Feb. 23rd to see the Collings Foundation planes.  Unfortunately, the B24 blew an engine and did not make it there the day I was there.  Not sure if it made it there at all.  It was a tremendous disappointment.  It was amazing though, to experience the B17 and B25.  I'm looking forward to next year in hopes the B24 will be in FL.
 
Thanks for your help!!!!
Carol

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