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B-24 Nose Gear Retraction

I understand the B-24 nose gear retracted forward into the fuselage.  Does anyone have any diagrams/drawings showing how this process worked that they might be able to post to this site?  Also, does anyone have any pictures which show the B-24 nose gear retracting that they might also be able to post?
 
I also understand the nose turret gunner, the navigator and the bombadier used the nose gear well to gain access to the aircraft.  That must have been a pretty tight fit.  Can anyone provide any comments or insight?
 
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/05 13:33:29 (permalink)
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    Ron - The B-24 nose gear retraction system was rather complex, but basically the wheel retracted upward and then backward. The early Consolidated machines - the ones with the inward opening nose wheel doors - were quite different from the later machines with downward opening nose wheel doors. I will post manual drawings of each.
     
    (Note - I see I got the picture captions reversed - Early should read Late and vice versa.)
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/05 15:21:59 (permalink)
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    Hi Al,
     
    Thanks for the outstanding information.  Much appreciated.
     
    Can you give me a quick summary concerning which versions of the B-24 had the inward opening nose wheel doors and which versions had the outward opening doors?
     
    Thanks.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/06 08:45:11 (permalink)
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    Ron - Your quick summary.
     
    The following Liberators had inward opening nose wheel doors:
    All the early series including the XB-24, B-24A, B-24C, LB-30s, etc.
    All B-24D, regardless of manufacturer.
    All B-24E, regardless of manufacturer.
    The first 110 B-24Gs.
    B-24Js manufactured by San Diego (CO) prior to 44-40149.
    B-24Js manufactured by Fort Worth (CF) prior to 44-10603 with the exception of the 57 planes bearing serials 42-50452 - 42-50508.
     
    All other B-24s had downward opening nose wheel doors.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/06 10:41:45 (permalink)
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    Thanks Al.  Excellent information.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/10 11:39:14 (permalink)
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    Hi Al,
     
    One more request.  Would you happen to have any pictures or diagrams showing the arrangement for the inward opening nose gear doors on the B-24?  I haven't been able to locate any pictures or drawings showing how they opened.
     
    Thanks.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/10 12:52:22 (permalink)
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    Ron - The doors were hinged like the cover of a tackle box (or sewing box) so that they moved upward and then to each side, with the interior side of the doors always staying on top. I will post a series of three diagrams that illustrate this. Here's #1
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/10 12:55:21 (permalink)
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    Rest of series.
     
     
     

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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/10 13:23:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the explanation and visual aids, Al.
    That really clarifies it!
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/10 13:58:37 (permalink)
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    Al,
     
    I obviously concur with Jay's comments.  Thanks again for the outstanding explanation and diagrams.
     
    Much appreciated.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/30 22:02:00 (permalink)
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    Hi Guys,
     
    One more question regarding the B-24 nose gear doors.  I understand the nose gear doors were modified to open downward rather than inward after the nose turrets started to be installed.  Why is it that some B-24s with nose turrrets (a fair number, it would seem) retained the inward opening nose gear doors?    Were the downward opening doors not a better design?
     
    I hope someone can clarify this for me.
     
    Thanks.
     
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/30 23:35:46 (permalink)
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    Howdy, Ron,
     
    I just got off the phone ten minutes ago with Bob Peterson, the bombardier of Lt. John J. Suitch's B-24J. (#42-100374). That B-24 was one of those built by Consolidated in San Diego, and therefore had the inward opening nose wheel doors. The J model also had the nose turret. So, I'm fairly certain that the nose turret modification had nothing to do with the change to how the doors opened and closed. The door mechanism was an enhancement that was independent of the development of the nose turrets.
     
    A word about the inward opening doors from Bob Peterson -- when their bomber was crippled over Gotha and their pilot ordered them to bail out, the navigator went out the nose opening first. On his exit, he accidentally pulled one of the doors down and closed. Bob, who was 6' 2" tall (just about 2 meters for our European friends) and 200lbs, could not yank that door back into it's open position. He started to head to the bomb bay, but it was on fire. He therefore went head first out of the VERY constricted nose opening. It's 61 years after that event, and he still has no idea how he got out.
     
    So, every time I've spoken with him, he has mentioned those the inward opening doors on the Consolidated models. Each time, he also mentions with some jealousy how the Ford models had outward opening doors!
     
    Hope that helps,
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    RE: B-24 Nose Gear Retraction 2005/08/31 01:23:02 (permalink)
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    Hi Jay,
     
    Thanks for the excellent information.  That sure would have been a tight fit bailing out through the nose with only one of the doors open.
     
    I came across the information about the nose turret and the nose gear door modifications on Joe Baughers aircraft web site.  Check it out and let me know what you think.  It is mentioned when he refers to the B-24H and subsequent models.
     
    The web site is:  http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b24_16.html
     
    All the best.
     
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