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2012/10/19 16:04:13 (permalink)
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B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron

I am trying to locate a picture of a B24D from the 1st Anti Submarine Squadron or the 480 ASG which operated from St Eval in England for a short period. A long shot I appreciate but any help very much appreciated.
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/10/19 19:21:21 (permalink)
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Are you looking for a specific aircraft or just one in general?
 
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/10/19 20:18:14 (permalink)
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Go to fold3.com and in the WWII section go to Air Force Photos (which are free to download) search for St Eval.  There are several photos that come up, many of the 479th Squadron rather than the 480th.   I did not see a really good picture of a complete B-24, but there are several "close ups" which show some of the features.  As Pete asks, are you after a particular plane or B-24s of those squadrons in general?
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/10/20 15:08:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Many thanks Pete and RSwank. I was not looking for a particular B24 as I do not have a serial list for these units and I would have to wait until I can make a trip to to the National Archives in Kew and view the St Evel ORB.
I am extremely grateful for the information on the Fold3.com site which has a fantastic collection. 
Thanks again for taking the trouble, and greetings from Ireland
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/02 15:32:48 (permalink)
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Hi Tony.
           From my records on St Eval have found the following which you might already now so here goes.
UNIT 479TH ASG.  4TH AND 9TH SQN'S  ACTIVATED AT ST EVAL   DATE IN  8.7.43   DATE OUT  6.8.43   TO  DUNKSWELL DEVON A/C TYPE B24.Hope this helps,have been researching US Navy VB103 sqn for the last 30 years which followed after the 479th left St Eval. Also understand that the 480th was at St Eval for a very short time and followed the 479th.
 
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/03 10:30:14 (permalink)
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Martin / Tony     the 1st ASS was only at St. Eval from Nov. 1942 to March 1943 when they went to French Morocco and were assigned to the 480th ASG there in June ; in England they wore the early USAAF schemes as per the attached.
The USN Atlantic ASW colour schemes included greys rather than the Pacific blues. Scheme 1 ( grey sides ) was for clear or moderate haze conditions, Scheme 2 ( white sides) for overcast ( also on F4Fs, FMs, SBDs and TBMs). Army schemes retained standard Olive Drab on top surfaces , the later ones had white surfaces as viewed from the front, on cowlings, tails and leading edges. There were several non-standard patterns.
The famous PB4Y-1 "Calvert n' Coke" BuAer. 32032 was from VB.103 as you will know.
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/03 19:12:51 (permalink)
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Martin/Nick
Many thanks for this additional information which is of great assistance.This answers many outstanding questions
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/04 07:05:11 (permalink)
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Tony/Nick
                 As I said before been researching VB103, of one particular aircraft bureau no32035  B5 call sign E  "Mucks Mauler" was operational from St Eval and then Dunkswell.
 War weary transferred to VB113 for return to US ,landed at St Mawgan Newquay(next base down the coast from St Eval) to refuel etc with ferry crew and crashed after take off 28th December 1943.All 13 crew/passengers perished and five US rescue party from the base drowned looking for survivors by the incoming tide.
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/04 15:17:37 (permalink)
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Tony        when the AAF A/S squadrons were disbanded and AAFASC was re-designated as 1st. BC in 1st. AF ( 31 Aug. 1943) their B-24Ds were sent to Podington then Cheddington ( Stn. 113) for training crews within 12 CCRC in November; on 20 Dec., 10 B-24Ds were transferred there .
In the last week of August the Army's A/S duties had been taken over by the USN who had always considered them to be their prerogative. The Navy's original B-24s were replaced by PB4Y-1s which moved into St. Eval then Dunkeswell.
The attached photo is an ex-AAF B-24D at Cheddington in late 1943 ( note Army camouflage), this is one with the Consolidated nose turret as fitted at a Modification Centre in the US. Personnel are from the resident Service Group.
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For the record the AAF A/S bomber force in the last week of Aug. 1943 before disbandment was as follows (from Antisubmarine Command record 8MIR43) :------------( note not including Navy)---------
Greenland 8 aircraft
Newfoundland / Nova Scotia 12
Eastern Sea Frontier 54
Gulf SF 34
Puerto Rico Sector 6
Trinidad Sector 32
Ascension Is. 21
Moroccan SF / Gibraltar ( inc. RAF at Gib.) 112
United Kingdom 48
Total USAAF bombers 327 ( USN had 689 in the same theatres).
Nick
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As regards the 1st. ASS you may not be aware of their sinkings ; 22 March 1943 U-524 off the Canary Is., 7 July 1943 U-951 E. Atlantic, 12 July 1943 U-506 off Portugal. ( ex.- U-Boat archive)

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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/11/08 14:15:48 (permalink)
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Thank you again gentlemen for this additional information and most helpful.
Yes Nick I had that info from U-Boat Archive, but I appreciate it anyway.
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Re:B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2012/12/10 15:29:20 (permalink)
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I have some photos from the 479th Antisubmarine Group in our Museum files here at Dunkeswell Memorial Museum. Buckeyeuk can I ask if I could be sent by email a copie of your photo attached above. as I do not have it in our files. Hi Mucks I have been trying to phone you for a long time with some info Is David Sharland. Tony I may have someone with info on the 480th ASG I will see if I can find the link for you. Our Museum Website is http://dmm103105110.btck.co.uk
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Re: B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2013/09/07 15:34:32 (permalink)
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My father served in the 1st Antisubmarine Squadron and the 480th Antisubmarine Group.  His was the only full original crew to survive the assignments in St. Eval and North Africa.  Their original plane, Lady Luck, lost a wing tip in North Africa and separately lost an engine on the way to St. Eval, but was flown back to the states by Ferry Command.  their replacement plane suffered collapsed landing gear on takeoff, but they acquired another one.  I have some old photos of the plane at St. Eval along with name on the nose and the painted credits for subs and planes destroyed.  Are you still looking for photos?
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Re: B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2013/09/09 14:17:34 (permalink)
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My father was a radar operator on a B-24 Liberator nicknamed "Lady Luck".  They were in the 1st Antisubmarine Squadron, 480th Antisubmarine Group.  The photos are of the plane at St. Eval, in the desert in Morocco where it had a forced landing after clipping a peak in the Atlas Mountains in December, 1942 losing 8.5 feet of the right wing tip, and at an airfield in Morocco in mid-1943 with my father standing by the plane. The original plane was flown back to the states by Ferry Command on June 19, 1943.  Their second plane cracked up on takeoff (landing gear collapsed) on September 14, 1943 while in Tunisia.  They flew their third plane home in November.  My father recorded on October 12 that his crew and one half of another crew were the only original 1st Squadron crews to survive the deployment.  He also reported that the 2d had been hit almost as hard.  On October 23d the remaining original crews were told to stop flying missions, and at 04.30 on November 16, 1943 the "Lady Luck" 3 left Tunisia for its return to the US.

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Re: B24 Liberator 1st Anti Submarine Squadron 2014/10/14 22:35:24 (permalink)
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My father, Maurice S. Smithberg was a B-24 crewmember assigned to the 2nd Anti Submarine Squadron of the 480th Anti Submarine Group.  He participated in a dogfight between his plane and a German FW-200 over the Bay of Biscay. The German bomber was shot down in a running fight.    In the 1980s my father was contacted by the surviving brother of one of the German FW-200 crewmembers killed in the fight.  They corresponded for many years until both passed a couple of years ago.  He sent my father the Iron Cross that his brother had been awarded with the comment  "to the victor goes the spoils".  My father sent it back!  The German crew of the FW-200 survived the shootdown according to my father's recollection.  He saw them climbing  on top of the sinking airplane.  They were never rescued.  
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