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2009/05/14 07:49:33 (permalink)
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B-17G in Sweden

Hi,
 
Could you help me to identify a B-17G that landed in Sweden, please?
 
Look at a picture at Footnote: http://www.footnote.com/image/47654385/
 
There was a picture of it published by "Sweden After the Flak" (issue of Spring 1999) too.
 
Mike
 
 

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/14 22:55:46 (permalink)
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That's going to be hard to identify. There were over 50 B-17Gs that landed in Sweden. There's no evidence of a serial number and no visible nose art.
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 03:42:58 (permalink)
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KAKI3152:
 
I agree. That's going to be a hard task, but I believe in visitors of the Forum.
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 08:29:04 (permalink)
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There is also no way of knowing if the same plane is shown in both photos.  The photo on footnote looks like a camo-painted plane, but the photo from the book almost looks like a NM plane to me.

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 15:39:02 (permalink)
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Marty:
 
To me the fuselage is OD and wing is NMF. Maybe a replacement.
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 16:45:43 (permalink)
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Hi Guy's,

How do you see the Footnote picture ? All that i see is a Black screen and text on the right side of screen.

Anyway  AMIAP-Mike, Perhaps you should start the search with those B17's that were scrapped in Sweden as many were flown back to the UK for dismantleing after the war.  Indeed some were cannibalised to make another 'plane good. These pictures may show sutch cannibalisation ?

Good hunting
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 17:22:41 (permalink)
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Hi AMIAP-Mike,

42-34217 "Georgia Rebel" was used in rebuilding the ABA aircraft.
42-5827 "Lakanuki" was used to rebuild ABA "Felix".
42-39792 "Half & Half" was dismantled and later scrapped in Sweden.
42-30661 "Veni Vidi Vici" was used by ABA.
42-39994 "222 Barrick's Bag" had three engines changed and a whole wing too before it was returned to the UK.
42-31163 "A Good & Happy Ship" was used by ABA.
42-40006 "Liberty Lady" Some parts were sold as scrap.
42-31564  the engines and propellers were changed and she was flown to the UK.
42-37985 "The Saint" was repaired and flown to the UK.
42-97496 one engine changed before flown to the UK.
42-31137 "Classy Chassy" was given an engine change before being flown back too the UK.
42-39995 "Cow TownBoogie" was repaired and flown to the UK.
42-39929 "Lackin Shakin" was scrapped in Sweden.
42-31548 "Shu Shu Baby" was flown back to the UK.
42-31362 "Alcohol Annie" was flown back to the UK.
42-97212 was given four new engines and flown back to the UK.
42-97155 was used by ABA.
42-30197 "Mission Belle" was totally destroyed and scrapped in Sweden.
42-97192 "Bottled in Bond" was scrapped in Sweden.
42-107067 was rebuilt and sold to Denmark.
42-30332 "Short Stuff" was flown to the UK.
42-31277 was destroyed in a crash landing.
This just brings us up to 13th May 44 when "Z Hub" landed.
 
I note
42-97314 "Pop"
29th May 44.
92BG/327BS.
A/c badly damaged by flak bellylanded at Bulltofta(Malmo). The left wing and engines could be repaired, but the right wing had to be replaced. The left outer wing was sent to Vásterás but finally the a/c was scrapped in Sweden.
The above a/c could fit the scene in the picture of a natural metal a/c.

All the best

"Making for Sweden" part 2 is the source for the above info. many others listed within it.

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 18:18:24 (permalink)
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Alex,

Here is the picture from footnote.  Don't know why you got only a black screen.  The area around the plexi nose looks like two tone camo to me.

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 18:19:22 (permalink)
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And here is the text from the back of the picture.  Even if it is the same plane as Mike posted there's still no ID.

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 20:11:11 (permalink)
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Here is an interesting coincidence.  I ordered a copy of Ray Bowden's Plane Names & Bloody Noses book on the 100th BG some time ago.  Ity finally came today, and as I was browsing through it, I noticed a photo of the plane in the book.  It was 42-39994, 100th BG, 418th BS, code LD-D.  The photo in the book was taken from the same angle as the photo posted from the Sweden after the Flak book, with both engines still off and the wooden fram in place.
 
The pilot of the plane was Sam Barrick, and they were forced to make an emergency landing at Malmo on March 6th, 1944.  It was badly damaged, but the crew was later allowed to repair the plane so it could be ferried to another field for storage with the other US planes that landed in Sweden.  According to the book, the plane was erroniously reported as having been named "Barrick's Bag", but according to one of the crew members they had planned on naming it "Snort Stuff" with snorting bull artwork, but no name or art ever got applied.
 
The book also notes that to repair the plane, the crew had to replace the entire left wing and the landing gear in order to make the plane flyable again.  After the war, the plane was ferried back to England where it was scrapped.
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/15 22:47:54 (permalink)
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Here's a 95th BG B-17 Smiling Sandy Sanchez, that crash landed near Akesholm, Sweden 5/19/44.

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/16 10:16:01 (permalink)
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Guys,
 
Many, many thanks.
 
Special thanks to Marty. I am sure this is the same plane that pictured in Ray Bowden's book, i.e. #42-39994 of the 100th BG.
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/22 17:40:55 (permalink)
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Hi Gentlemen,
Your are correct, this is A/C #42 39994.  "SNORT STUFF" Lt Barrick's plane.  One of the Crew members provided me with a detailed account by Lt Barrick on the work details that refurbbed the B-17's and flew them back to England.  He was part of those crews.  Can someone email me really good copies of both of these shots for our Archives? (MPFaley@aol.com)   Also, if you notice, one of the photos was used in the Air Force magazine, July 1945 issue. Will be on the look out for that one. 

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/24 14:30:15 (permalink)
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Michael:
 
Thank you.
 
All I have is this scan from FOOTNOTE (jpg) and the magazine (pdf).
 
Are you interested in it?
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/29 03:15:06 (permalink)
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Ray Bowden just sent me a really good jpeg of the shot that was in his book.   All I need now is the shot of all the guys standing in front of the engine mounts.  A good shot of that would be really good.  Need to track down that Air Force Magazine from 1945 for my collection.  if you have that and the photo in the pdf format, would love it.  Send to my email mpfaley@aol.com   quite interesting the amount of traffic this subject generated, look at the hits.   

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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2009/05/29 05:14:37 (permalink)
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Michael:
 
The message with attachments has been sent.
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2011/03/27 17:02:57 (permalink)
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I have just discovered a book about my grandfather's last mission in a B-17g named "Pop". The book is called Savage Sky and was written by George Webster who was also on this mission. George Keith was my grandfather, (now deceased) and if anyone has any additional information on this airplane or any of his missions, I would be interested.  Thanks in advance
 
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Re:B-17G in Sweden 2014/06/07 08:26:06 (permalink)
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Mike, 
The picture of the interned B-17 that you posted was sent to me by Henry Munro Githens ("Mo") in 1999 for use in my newsletter Sweden After the Flak. He was the Radio Operator on "Lady Katherine" that crashed in Sweden on Aug 25, 1944. 
 
This is a quote from Mo:
 
"Lt. Col. Filkins was sent from England
to command the Malmö airport operation.
He built a B-17 from spare parts taken
from crashed planes. We called it “Filkens
Folly”. It was later flown from Malmö to
North Sweden to join other stored aircraft."
 
It is very possible that the plane pictured is indeed "Filkens Folly"
 
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