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2006/11/30 16:24:38 (permalink)
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B-17 Superstitious Aloysius

Is anyone familiar with B-17 "Superstitious Aloysius" Sr# 42-31982?
I would like model ,color scheme and any other information as to Sqdn. markings etc. I am familiar with nose art marking.
Wilbur H. Keck ,Copilot, died Nov. 26(Obit in Macontelegraph on Nov 28) He was a resident of Warner Robins, Ga.
Aircraft went down sometime in 1944,and Keck was POW for 11 months.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/11/30 16:56:28 (permalink)
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42-31982 was a Boeing built B-17G (natural metal finish) assigned as a new replacement aircraft to the 322nd Squadron of the 91st Bomb Group on 24 February 1944.  Triangle A, squadron code LG.  I don't know the radio call letter, but someone on this forum will no doubt have that information. 
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/11/30 18:02:37 (permalink)
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Project Bits and Pieces shows the radio call letter as "S".
 
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/11/30 19:41:12 (permalink)
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Tracy, # 42 - 31982 LG S   shot down July 20, 44
MACR #7282  3 KIA  6 POW
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/12/01 03:16:43 (permalink)
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Some sites with additional information on 91st BG: 
 
 http://www.8thafhs.org/bombgrps.htm

http://www.303rdbg.com/8af-markings.html

http://mighty8thaf.preller.us/
 
Edit:  Added 8th AFHS Bomb Group web page

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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/12/02 13:36:31 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for all the information from all of you.
In photo of this A/C at www.91stbombgroup.com/aloysius.html  ,It appears that  it might have a two tone paint scheme rather than natural metal?? Keck is in crew photo of this  plane. I have found 42-31982 in another photo as belonging to 324th Sqdn. In this photo Aloysius is written  as such. In photo of 322nd Sqdn. plane it is written AL-O-YSIUS. Aloysius nose art character is slightly different also.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/12/02 17:35:31 (permalink)
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Tracy - 9 B - 17s and 1 B - 24 with this name in 8th AF.
" Superstitious Al - O - Ysius "  # 42 - 5901 GL - T    94th BG , 410th Sq.
Only A/C with this name - Hyphenated
Photos -   B - 17 Flying Fortress Nose Art Gallery - Campbell
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/12/03 11:17:15 (permalink)
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Mike,
I am slightly obfuscated .If A/C # 42-5901 of 94th BG,is only hyphenated Aloysius,then photo at  www.91stbombgroup.com/aloysius.html  must actually be 42-5901 and not a 91st BG A/C.Is this a correct assumption,or am I missing something other than a few brains?
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2006/12/03 19:40:58 (permalink)
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Tracy - My info is from Bits and Pieces. It shows just 1 A/C in 91st with name - # 231982 and that
it only served in the 322d Sq. You say 2 Pictures are different - I think the one could be 94th BG.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/01/03 17:57:48 (permalink)
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Tracy & Mike,  This is very strange.

On close inspection, the photo of Al-o-ysius you reference clearly shows the serial # 5901 (near the wishbone).

Five photos I have at hand of the 91st ship #42-31982 DO show hyphens in the name, but the name is wavy, and Al-o-ysius is immediately next to the words so that his wishbone is actually over part of the final 's' in "Superstitious." Al-o-ysius's attire is also different in the 91st nose art.

At the 91st site, there is a "Superstitious Al-o-ysius" listed on page 1 and page 8 of the crew photos. Under "page 1" on this list, there is a direct link to the CORRECT nose art:
http://www.91stbombgroup.com/91crewstart.html

But if you first click "Page 1" or "Page 8," you get a page with nose-art thumbnails, and the incorrect Al-o-ysius is shown. The thumbnail on page 1 leads you to the incorrect art, and the one on page 8 leads to the correct one.

It looks as though a little housekeeping is in order at the website.

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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/01/08 18:31:48 (permalink)
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I agree Janet. It does appear that there are hyphens(or more like large dots) in Al.o.ysius of 42-31982. I also have a photo of B-17 which does show 5901 near wishbone. It is confusing because caption below photo reads 42-37807 B-17F belonging to 100th BG. I also wonder(even tho Boeing does list as NMF) If it was OD over Gray finish? Photos I have appear to be two tone.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/01/11 22:10:46 (permalink)
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This is a clear image of the 91st BG  SUPERSTITIOUS AL-O-YSIUS nose art. You can see the hyphens, and the STARCER signature under the character. The figure is an almost exact copy of one on a WWII "Superstitious Al-o-ysius" luck card.

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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/05/11 02:55:24 (permalink)
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I knew Mr Keck. I found him, along with Al DeShaw (pilot) a few years back. My great-uncle, Authur Wilborn, was killed when they went down. I have a lot of info on the crew if you need any.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/05/26 09:02:15 (permalink)
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Eric,
I just saw your post this AM.Haven't checked lately. Appreciate responce.
I have quite a bit of info. on crew now,but am always open for more.
I have definitely accounted for all of crew except tail gun. John R. Peterson. SSDI lists John R. Peterson,Bushnell,Il as 12/29/1923--8/1/1993 . Do you know if this is he?
You probably know DeShaw died 8/22/2006.
Unless Peterson is still living,Homer S. Norris is only living crew member.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/05/26 12:47:21 (permalink)
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   He is dead, but I have to look up my paperwork to see when. Stan Norris is in a rest home now. I talked to him a few years ago, is a really funny guy. I still talk to Al DeShaw's wife.
   Bob Christoffersen was alive as of a few years ago, but I'm not sure anymore.
   Al was a commercial airlines pilot after he got out.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/05/26 21:07:08 (permalink)
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Eric,
I regret to say that  Robert W. Christopherson is no longer living. I talked with his daughter in Sun City West,Az. sometimes back and she said he passed away ,If I recall correctly in 2001.  I have a problem hearing on phone and am not sure I heard year correctly,but am sure she confirmed that he is no longer living.
I have talked with Stan Norris and he lives in Spanish Fort,Al. I wasn't aware that he was in a nursing home.
Have also talked with Sara Jo DeShaw and with Lolly Keck.
You probably know that Albert DeShaw wrote a book,the title evades me now.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2007/05/26 21:29:47 (permalink)
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Title of book is:
No longer Naive
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Re:B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2011/06/10 00:01:15 (permalink)
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Great stuff to read. My father T/Sgt Ammon H Powell flew in Aloysius on June 21, 1944 just a month before she was shot down. His mission was to Berlin that day. I am writing a book based on his WWII diary. He described it as the raid everyone knew was coming and hated... He got his first enemy fighter credit that trip. ME410. Dropped 10-500's with 2 clusters.
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Re:B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2011/06/10 00:58:04 (permalink)
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Superstitious Aloysius was a popular name with a number of planes in a number of groups, but the one indicated here is the 91st BG plane, shot down in the mission to Leipzig, Germany. Deshaw was the pilot, and there were 6 POWs, and at least 3 KIA. It is possible that one of the captured POWs was killed by civilians. At that time of the war, crews of 9 were starting to happen, which released another crewmember to fight in a different position. Many of the crews were finally starting to rotate home, and although newly trained crews did not become an issue by this stage of the war, things were still conducted in a frugal way. Trained men were still hard to come by, but ways were found to fix this. The first big one was to drop the number of crew members to 9 from 10. 
Bombardiers were reduced, reassigned, or promoted (usually) to navigator. They were replaced by toggleirs, who simply salvoed on the lead bomber in the squadron. This had become such normal practice by then, many bomb aimers were glad to shift to a position with a little more responsibility then toggling a switch to drop with the rest of the squadron. The above info is probably correct, but some of these posts are pretty old. If anyone needs to renew this, please get in touch with me, Gordy, at the 91st BG site, on the 'net or Facebook. If you are still stuck or need more info, PM me.
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RE: B-17 Superstitious Aloysius 2011/06/25 18:28:06 (permalink)
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My father was a POW from that Plane their were two Super Al's my father was on the original, got the nose art from a card his mother sent him while he was at Bassinbourne, he's called Pappy on the original photo as he was 30 yrs old at the time. He was in Stalag LuftIV, and was also on the Black March last 80+ days and 600 miles.
 
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