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B17 - 42-37816

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I am looking for information on  B17, 42-37816, BIG STUPE V, 384 BG/545 BS
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    vic-513
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    Bernard,
     
    42-37816 JD D "Big Stupe V" failed to return on 13 April 1944 due to German fighters. Crash site is not given. MACR 3868
    Crew list:
    Lt Francis O. Heffley (P) POW
    2Lt Walter B. Mabe (CP) EVD
    2Lt Louis P. Carini (N) POW
    2Lt John Betolatti (B) EVD
    T/Sgt Samuel Deutsch (TT) EVD
    T/Sgt William J. Shade (RO) POW
    S/Sgt Robert W. Bechtel (BT) EVD
    S/Sgt Ralph L. Gatzman (LW) POW
    S/Sgt George W. Allen (RW) POW
    S/Sgt Glen E. Alfter (TG) POW
     
    Vic

    Vic Walzel, brother of 1st Lt Leland H. Walzel, bombardier with the 93rd Bomb Group, 330th Squadron. KIA 6 March 1944 on his 25th mission.
    www.lelandwalzel.150m.com
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    Bernard Gouthier
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    Thanks Vic,
    This plane (42-37816) crashed to RAMBUCOURT (55 LORRAINE FRANCE) in the region of METZ / NANCY
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    Bernard,
       Some good pics of Big Stupe V, including crash pics on their website.
    Hugh
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    Based on Vic's list:
     
    Carini: O-809532  2LT  from MA   Navigator school: SL 43-11    POW
    Heffley: O-802747  1LT  from Texas   pilot school:  MX 43        POW
    Mabe: O-740854   2LT  From  Texas   pilot schoo: Roswell  43C   POW
    Betolatti:  bombardier school  Big Spring, Texas  class 43-08
     
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    some informations
     
    Walte B. MABE : (born in 1919) Texas, enlisted in 1941
    Louis P.CARINI (born 1921) Massachusetts, enlisted 16 jan 1943;  POW : Stalag Luft 3
    John BETOLATTI  (1923) Connecticut, enlisted 14 april 1942
    serial : O-682568
    William J.SHADE (1919) Pennsylvania,enlisted 17 feb 1941, serial 33370908,  POW Stalag 17B
    Robert W. BECHTEL (1922) enlisted 4 july 1942, serial 13096713
    Ralph L. GATZMAN (1923) Louisiana, enlisted 23 nov 1942, serial 18151686, Stalag 17B
    George W.ALLEN (1915) Oklahoma, enlisted 29 oct 1942, serial 18162376, Stalag 17B 
    Glen E. Alfter (1924) Illinois,  serial 16170253 Stalag 17B
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Merci à Tous pour les renseignements.
     
    L'avion 42#37816 s'est crashé en Lorraine (France) à proximité de NANCY/METZ/VERDUN.
     
    Longitude 05° 46' 21" E
    Latitude 48° 51' 31 " N
     
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    I am the grandson of S/SGT Robert W. Bechtel. Plane was on fire when they belly landed.The ball turret was dropped in the air along with all extra weight.They had very little if any fuel left and only had I believe 1 engine left working. they were attacked twice by fw 109`s . The offical 384th bg site has MACR report and pics of the plane
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