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B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945

Hello !

I search the Crew Member from the follow B-17:

B 17
43-39050
03. March 1945

Best Regards

Matthias

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    shooshoobaby
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    RE: B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    #339050 P   493d BG   863d Sq.
    Lieutenants:
    P - George Graff POW
    CP - William H. Thomas Jr. KIA
    N  - Bernard J. McGivern KIA
    B  - Ray m. Goetschius POW
    Sergeants:
    TT - Paul F. Edmunds  POW
    RO - Dwain S. Kantor POW
    BT  - Francis M. Mungavin KIA
    WG  - Robert G. Dawson POW
    TG - Cameron T. McKin
    MACR # 12886  Crashed Hildesheim , GE.
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    Thank you for your work with the crash sites and crews. Your note of 08/28/2006 suggests you were working from the plane itself 43-39050, not known crewmembers. I am trying to find the actual crash site. I am trying to find if the aircraft exploded, crashed, or, perhaps, was "landed". The only crewmember left on board was my mother-in-law's first husband 2nd Lt William H Thomas - co-pilot. Are you aware of any reports, stories, photos from this crash site?
     
    Thanks for your kindness in researching these situations and helping families reach resolution.
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    There is a little information here:
    http://www.fold3.com/page/285790397_crash_of_b17_4339050__macr_12886/
    Apparently the plane was hit by fighters which set the #2 engine on fire.  The pilot tried to "blow out" the flames by putting the plane into a dive.  This was apparently not successful.  The crew bailed out and the plane went into the clouds and exploded.  

    The MACR states that McKim was also captured, so 6 captured and 3 killed.
     
    Also found (which you have probably already seen):
    http://airforce.togetherweserved.com/usaf/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=142222
     
    http://airforce.togetherweserved.com/usaf/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=141993
     
    http://airforce.togetherweserved.com/usaf/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=PersonAircraftExt&ID=52226
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    Two corrections on the names of the crew.  MACR 12886 has:
    Pilot:   George Craff   (not Graff)
    and  
    TG:   Cameron T. McKim  ( or Mc Kim  but not McKin) 
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    Still, SLOWLY  working thru leads-
    Probably the greatest discovery was that ball turret gunner Francis MUNGAVIN was NOT KIA, but lived through the war! (sorry MACR 12886). He had a disastrous parachute landing (hypoxic and unconscious?) and broke his back (and was beaten by locals). He was taken to a German hospital in Detmold and remained unconscious for two weeks. He does state that he received good care at the hospital. He was liberated 09 APR 1945. He was sent to a succession of hospitals both in Europe and back in the States. The majority of the crew was captured elsewhere and sent to a POW camp at Moosburg. They were also liberated in April 1945 and, I believe, provided much of the information provided in MACR 12886. They were not reunited with Mungavin at that time. A letter in 1990 to John Ramsey suggests that the plane continued flying "for 30 minutes" and the co-pilot's body was recovered "in Holland". I'm still working on a verification of that last point. I'm trying to see if NARA might have Quartermaster/Graves Registration or IDPF information as to the final resting place for Lt. Thomas and 43-39050 on 03 MAR 1945. 2nd Lt. William Henry THOMAS, Jr. was buried at Arlington National Cemetery on 09 JUN 1949.                                                                                                                                                          a couple points- Bombardier Goetschius wrote the wife of navigator McGivern that McGivern had bailed out OK that day. Goetschius was told a few days after capture that McGivern had "landed dead". He doubted that assertion.
    also, I have a letter from pilot George Graff to John Ramsey. (it is spelled with a G).                                             I have been blessed with many willing helpers to puzzle out the events of that day- Thank you all.                        Still looking for "the rest of the story" - Thank you- Ed Powell
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    Wow I am glad to see other people researching the same thing as I am. My grandfather is Francis Mungavin, the ball turret gunner. I will keep my eye here and see if any other news pops up about this crew. Just wondering if anyone has any photos of the plane at all? I have a few photo's of the crew, but none of the plane itself. Thanks,
     
     
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    Re:B 17 43-39050 03. March 1945 (permalink)
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    Hi Mike- djschmitt's reply to "Looking for info, Tom Landry, co-pilot" on (or referring to (?) 3/6/11 @ 5:34 refers to 43-39050 but, as _Helton's Hellcats_ suggests- no plane "name".
    Best- Ed Powell
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