Hi,
 
Details of the losses in August of 44 welcome.
 
Pilots names please also.
 
Alex

ORIGINAL: Alex Smart

Hi,

Details of the losses in August of 44 welcome.

Pilots names please also.

Alex

Alex, I´d like to help you but there´s not too many infos on 14th FG on Internet. I got a question as well- do you know the target of the mission flown by 14thFG on August 29,1944, if ever?

Roman Susil
Zlin, Czech Republic

...a friend of Joe Owsianik, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn, that was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

Possibly this information concerning 29 AUG 1944 will be of interest:
 
(Fifteenth Air Force):550 bombers strike targets in Italy, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Yugoslavia; in Italy, communications targets in the Po Valley and railway bridges at Ferrara, Salzano, and Ferrara; in Czechoslovakia, oil refineries and communications targets in the Silesian Plain, including the Bohumin area, steel works and marshalling yard, Moravska-Ostrava marshalling yard, oil refineries and industrial area including, tank works, and marshalling yards; in the Hungarian Plain, marshalling yards at Szolnok and Szeged, and a railway bridge at Szeged; and in Yugoslavia, a railway bridge at Borovnica; P-38s bomb Latisana Bridge, Italy.
 

come on ;)
this is very well know source of info on internet. Roman is not any beginner in the search for data about August 29, 1944 mission. He can add I bed two pages more details of who flew where and in what numbers that this short paragraph:)
I think that the question was pretty interesting and well pointed to 14FG presence (if any) and mission objective on Augut 29, 1944. I think Narrative Mission report or 15AF mission report would say more...
Anyone out there with the specific answers and info??

Peter Kassak
pkassak(AT)yahoo.com

writting the response I got an idea of source...
27 14FG P-38s were ordered to make cover for 5.BW heading to Bohumin and Moravska Ostrava.4 returned early. 23 were over the target.
source, Intops Summary 404. August 29, 1944

enjoy:)

Peter Kassak
pkassak(AT)yahoo.com

Only one I have so far with the 14thFG 29 Aug 44. Source http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn1/14thfghonor_roll42_43.html
 
42-12834, Lockheed P-38G-5-LO Lightning, plane destroyed, 49FS, 14FG, He crashed landed his P-38 in the vicinity of Termoli, Italy. Gerhard T. Gronhovd, 49thFS

http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn/

two 82FG lost on that day as well..
 
43-28269 P-38J-15-LO   Baker, John L., 2nd.Lt./KIA 96th Fighter Sqd    82nd Fighter Gp 15AF 440829 
OHAM (Italy) MACR #8100      

44-23198 P-38J-15-LO   Tierney, John R., /Killed 95th Fighter Sqd 82nd Fighter Group 15AF 440829 
OHAM (Italy, Sternara, 5mi. W of) Missing      Pilot killed in crashed;Oham 15AF condemned missing, 29 Aug 1944;

For the most part either 1st, 14th or 82nd FG flew together on missions.
 
 
Terry T.

Thanks Terry,
 
Had those 2 fellows in my 82nd Honor Roll but did not know they had flown with the 14th, still learning on my part, thanks for the information.
 
Rob

http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn/

ORIGINAL: Terry T.

two 82FG lost on that day as well..

43-28269 P-38J-15-LO   Baker, John L., 2nd.Lt./KIA 96th Fighter Sqd    82nd Fighter Gp 15AF 440829 
OHAM (Italy) MACR #8100      

44-23198 P-38J-15-LO   Tierney, John R., /Killed 95th Fighter Sqd 82nd Fighter Group 15AF 440829 
OHAM (Italy, Sternara, 5mi. W of) Missing      Pilot killed in crashed;Oham 15AF condemned missing, 29 Aug 1944;

For the most part either 1st, 14th or 82nd FG flew together on missions.


Terry T.

Hi Terry,

I think 82nd was over Latisana, Italy that day.

Roman Susil
Zlin, Czech Republic

...a friend of Joe Owsianik, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn, that was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

ORIGINAL: bioteror

writting the response I got an idea of source...
27 14FG P-38s were ordered to make cover for 5.BW heading to Bohumin and Moravska Ostrava.4 returned early. 23 were over the target.
source, Intops Summary 404. August 29, 1944

enjoy:)

off topic, sorry Alex

Hi Peter,

even though in all the publications published by Slavicin there´s writen that no records about P-38´s presence in the battle on Aug 29, 1944 are available, today I know that 14th and 1st were there, see also http://forum.armyairforces.com/m_134700/tm.htm
As you sure know some of the eye witnesses speak about 'Fork Tail Devills' perhabs shooting down Hansotto Nehls Bf109G-6AS.
So my question is- if some of the pilots from 1st or 14th got a credit, there must be some written record. So where to start-combat record? And where could I get it?
I guess we spoke about it already, but I´ve 4got...One month ago my daughter was born, now the Xmas mess all around :)

Roman Susil
Zlin, Czech Republic

...a friend of Joe Owsianik, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn, that was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

Hi Alex,
 
I was sernding scans of history of 14th FG for August 44 to Roland from Austria last week. I can send you these scans too (if you would like). Please, send me your  home e-mail address via PM and I will sned these scans to you.
Regards,
Viliam

Hi Viliam,
 
I have sent you a private email
 
Alex

Hi Alex,
no any PM from you for this time. Please, send my your message once more to PM bos and to my home e-mail . I will help you whit all whta I have.
Regards,
Viliam

hi Viliam,
 
had sent you a message did you read it yet ?
See "messages" you should have my message in there somewhere. Se above in the "Links" bar.
 
Alex

Hello All,
 
Here is my list for August 44.
No book yet so most is from various refs on the web.
 
Date       -      P38        -          Pilot                   -             Remarks

13-8-44 - 42-68024   - 2Lt. Donald A. Tracy          - KIA   - MACR 8337 - France.
42-68024 F-5B-1-LO 15AF salvaged  30 Sep 1945
 
42-104120 MACR #7095, is also for a B-24 42-52327
 
I have a MACR update for 42-104120 MACR #7975
 
Terry T.

The book on the 14th fighter group shows 33 KIA and 71MIA plus other deaths due to acidents in 1944   .  It lists all of the Squadrons from 1942 till 23 Apr. 1945 but do's not mention AC tail no.s

This is what I have
42-104232 422-3066  P-38J-15-LO (no pilot)   48th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 450818 DUKO Condemned salvage non combat          

43-28767   P-38J-15-LO (no pilot)   37th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 441221 OHAM MIA

42-104235 422-3069  P-38J-15-LO   Simpson, Robert Duane., 2nd.Lt. (O-824949). /Kia 
48th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440806 OHAM (France, Puy St. Marie) MACR #7189 
 
42-68163   P-38J-10-LO   Sielert, Roy Russell., 2nd.Lt.(O-827061). /Kia 
48th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440807 OHAM (Austria, Bratislava, 10mi.S) MACR #7188  
Shot down by enemy aircraft, last seen going straight down.

 
44-23204 422-4208  P-38J-15-LO   Reiman, George Victor., 2nd.Lt.(O-823381). /Kia 
48th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440807 OHAM (Meditrn, Ancona Point,7mi.E) MACR #8943   
Also reported 4mi E off Acona Pt..was seen to ditch
 
I will do some more later..
 
Terry T.
 

continuing from my P-38 database:
42-68024   P-38J-10-LO   Tracy, Donald A., 2nd.Lt.(O-824788). /Kia 
49th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 12AF 440813 DUKO (France, De Dieu Airdrome) MACR #8337 
Remains found one kilometer east of Camaret by US AGRS & buried.

42-104120  P-38J-15-LO   Torgesen, Elmer., 2nd.Lt.(O-763410). /Missing 
37th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440813 OHAM (France, Orange Plan de Dieu Airdrome) MACR #7975   
Strafing mission to Valence/La Tresoriere, France. Last sighted being hit by AA.
 
42-104257  P-38J-15-LO   Thompson, Clarence R., 2nd.Lt.(O-763406). /KIA 
37th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Group 15AF 440813 OHAM (France, Orange Plan de Dien Airdrome, NE ) MACR #8336   
Strafing mission to Valence/La Tresoriere Airdrome, France.;
Hit by AA & small arms fire & crashed/burned.

43-28643   P-38J-15-LO   Long, Moses J., 2nd.Lt.(O-816126). /MIA 
49th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440814 OHAM (France, Montfrin) MACR #7953 
Bombing & strafing mission to Montfrin, France. was seen to be hit by AA.


42-104120  P-38J-15-LO   Torgesen, Elmer., 2nd.Lt.(O-763410). /Missing 
37th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440813 OHAM (France, Orange Plan de Dieu Airdrome) MACR #7975   
Strafing mission to Valence/La Tresoriere, France. Last sighted being hit by AA.

 
42-104123  P-38J-15-LO McConnel, Walter. C. Jr., 1st.Lt.(O-816901). /Kia 
49th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440814 OHAM (France, Montfrin) MACR #7976  
Bombing & strafing mission to Montfrin, France.;
Bodie descovered near wreckage, but not ided. Buried under "X" at Draguignan US military cemetery.

43-28755   P-38J-15-LO   Tippett, William. J., 1st.Lt.(O-691597). /Mia 
48th Fighter Sqd 14th Fighter Gp 15AF 440814 OHAM (France) MACR #8338 
MIA on dive-bomb mission to Montfrin, France. This acft was seen to be hit by AA.

Cya tomorrow:
Terry T.