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AAF Special projects Numbers (AAF Spec. Proj. No.) P-51D Mustang

I'm trying to find out about the AAF Spec. Proj. No that appears on the Technical Data stencil
(specifically on P-51D Mustangs)
 
I have yet to find anything that explains to me what this is
and how it is applied to each aircraft.
 
Is there a list of numbers associated to specific aircraft? or associated to specific serial numbers?
I have found two P-51D-20-NA aircraft with different Spec. Proj. Nos. so obviously the P-51D is not a single "special project".

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Dave....For aircraft that were flown to overseas destinations during the war...ALL were under the Control of the Air Transport Command, and movement of each aircraft from one station to another was assigned a Project Number, and released from one Staging Station, to another, by means of  the Project Number.
 
We traveled the Northern Route via England...(those aircraft destined for the 8th AAF had a different Project Number, than ours as we were assigned to the 15th AAF in Italy,and further to the 99th BG.
 
Example...Movement of our B-17 from the US (ZI, or Zone of the Interior) was accomplished with a Project Number XXXX, stenciled along with the Data information under, or near the LEFT Pilot's window.
 
I do not know, but suspect EACH aircraft had a seperate Project Number.
Perhaps someone will explain further.
 
Jim :-)

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Dave:
I believe the Project Number that appears in the TDB (and on the IARC) is the number that ALLOCATES the delivered aircraft to a specific use as it comes out of the factory.  For example, picture a stream of B-29's being delivered.  15 might be Project Number 98065, which indicated aircraft intended for the initial deployment to the 40th Bomb Group.  These might be followed by ten planes allocated to 98123, a Training Command allocation, then fifteen to 98066, aircraft to initial manning of the 444th BG, etc.
It indicates the USE to which the plane is assigned as determined by someone up the food chain.  In the example above, assigning planes to the four groups of the 58th Bomb Wing for initial deployment would be Project numbers 98065, 98066, 98067 and 98068 
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Dave    I believe Ted Damick ( Ted51) has a list of P-51 Project Numbers.
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Re:AAF Special projects Numbers (AAF Spec. Proj. No.) P-51D Mustang (permalink)
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wow, very enlightening, thank you!
 
in case you don't know, I design scale models in paper.
And the members here have given me some great help in the past.
(and one of the best things about doing the models and the research is learning all this stuff!)
 
I'm working on a new line of P-51D models
and noticed  the Spec.Proj number on every Mustang I plan to create.
 
Since I always try to include the correct serial number in the data,
I was hoping to apply the correct project numbers to each model (if possible).
In the past, on certain models, I have just left out the top line of this data
(some earlier aircraft didn't appear to have it anyway).
 
The data stencil is quite small and hard to read on the 1/33 scale model..
In fact, on some home printers, it may not even print out as legible.
But that doesn't matter, I still try to put in nice artwork and details regardless of the size.

 
So, where is Ted51??
And how do i get his list?
Ted? Ted? you here Ted?
PM coming ted!



 
 

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Re:AAF Special projects Numbers (AAF Spec. Proj. No.) P-51D Mustang (permalink)
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While this is a bit after the fact, here's my 2 cents on Project Numbers:
 
1) Terminology - It is properly called a Project Number, not a Special Project Number. Special Project numbers were assigned to operational plans such as Project 9, which became Operation Thursday, the aerial invasion of Burma. A Project Number, as given in the data block stenciled on the nose of an aircraft, was a number assigned to a specific theater request for materials and equipment. Each request allocation was assigned a Project Number.
 
2) A Project Number was not specific to an individual aircraft, but it applied to a group of aircraft, as well as spare parts, personnel equipment, and so on. For example, all L-5 aircraft and equipment assigned to the First Air Commando Group Liaison Squadrons that were sent to India for the winter 1944 offensive in Burma bore Project 90689. All aircraft later sent to that theater as replacements for those units bore the code 90690R (r = replacement).
 
3) The Project Number was typically assigned long before the aircraft left the factory, and often before they were even built. You will find this number on the Individual Aircraft Record card. Besides appearing on the noses of the airplanes and on the IARC's, it was also stenciled on shipping crates, equipment bags, and so forth. The project numbers indicated the destination theater and  receiving command, as well as the route by which the aircraft were delivered.  In other words, it was a military shipment code that enabled a piece of equipment to get from point A (factory) to point B (final destination). Crews that flew the larger airplanes overseas were also assigned to the same project number. 
 
4) Quite often, project numbers changed due to changing tactical and strategic plans, and high priority requests often caused equipment to be diverted.  I have seen IARC's with 4 and 5 changes written on them. Sometimes this occurred after an aircraft left the factory, in which case the number stenciled on the nose didn't match the actual use of the aircraft. The projects that equipment was assigned to was determined by a central planning committee, the name of which escapes me at the moment. The War Production Board, or something of that nature.
 
5) No official lists of project codes seem to have survived. What is known about individual project numbers for aircraft has been compiled through patient research. I'm not a P-51 guy so cannot tell you much about their project codes. If you want to know about Stinson L-5's, I can tell you every project number they were assigned to.
 
Cheers, Jim
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