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A-20G/H/J/K version - 04/29/2006 05:13:39 AM
Hi guys,
I wonder if 47th BG used only A-20G (that was the most numerous built version) in Italy or if some squadrons converted in the more powerful/glass nose A-20 H,J,K.
 
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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 04/30/2006 09:56:33 AM
The 47th had some glass nose A-20Js, this is "Princess Ruthie" of the 84th BS; the battle number 48 has been changed to 18.  No.36 was another.  No. 6 was a K.                                 Nick
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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 06:03:48 AM
Max, here is an A-20K "Ole 98" my father flew overseas in, and some night intruder missions. From 47th BG 97th BS Grosseto Italy, January 1945.[image][/image]



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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 06:07:34 AM
This A-20B had 250 missions on it at the time this pic was taken of it with my dad, Ken O'Boyle. Plane is parked next to "Ole 98." His favorite. 47th BG, 97th BS. Grosseto Italy, January 1945. [image][/image]



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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 04:32:12 PM
Thanks for your answers. Nick, for both your answers.
 
oboyle, I can't download your pictures.
 
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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 04:45:38 PM
Hi Max, don't know what happened, it said "File uploaded successfully" (both posts) they were each at 200KB (max). When I went to check em, they weren't there. I deleted them, and put em in at 84 KB and voila! Sorry bout that. Glad your interested in Havocs! Mark
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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 05:20:29 PM
Hello again Max, I'm overdoing it a bit here, will send three more pics in the following posts. All from 47th BG, Grosseto, Italy. My father Ken O'Boyle got over there in September 1944 and flew thru March 1945. He only flew the A-20B, G, and K versions in Italy. He flew the J version in training. (Along with B-25's). Also got in a few A-26 flights in March. This 47th BG 85th BS A-20 could be a J or K, pic is courtesy of friend Dwight Orman, a P-47 pilot with the 57th FG, 65th "Fighting Cocks" fighter squadron. He sent it to me, said he went over to the 47th BG flight line one day to take some pics. They and the 64th and 66th FS were on the same base at Grosseto. They also were in the William Wyler color movie "Thunderbolt" filmed from Corsica, before they moved to Grosseto. Must of been a busy field with P-47's taking off and landing, bombing and strafing during the day, and the A-20's going out at night. More "Round The Clock Bombing". Mark[image][/image]

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 05:24:32 PM
Same lineup, looks like all are A-20J or K's of the 47th BG 85th BS, Grosseto Italy, courtesy of Dwight Orman

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/01/2006 05:36:38 PM
This pic from "Douglas Havoc and Boston" Urban Linn via Stan Piet, book by Scott Thompson. Shows A-20K closest to camera, rest look like more K's or J's. 47th BG, 84th BS, Grosseto Italy.

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/02/2006 01:29:59 PM
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the pictures!
Did Your father fly only from Italy? I live there.
From your posts came up the following questions:
Were A-20B still in service in 1945?
Did A-26 fly toghether with A-20, or did the squadrons replace the whole Havock stock?
 
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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/10/2006 08:55:23 PM
Hi Max, to answer your questions, my father flew all his combat missions from Grosseto Italy, and from his letters home, did a lot of flying in Havocs (B, G, and K models) to Naples, Follonica, Rosignano, Villa Franca, Pisa, and other cities to get needed provisions. He even brought back vegetables and cigarettes for the men. He mentions the prices of the goods to his future wife, as her father was a farmer on weekends and a lawyer during the week! Probably trying to impress the old man.. (my future grandpa).

Looking at his logbook, October 18th and 20th 1944 he flew in an A-20B, he flew twice on February 22 and once on February 24 1945 in an A-20B all out of Grosseto, and on March 4th in an A-26B (gun nose) and on March 5th 1945 in an A-26C (plexiglass bombardier nose). These flights were not credited toward combat, so it could of been to keep his flight time current, or to get provisions as above, or training, as these were his first flights in the A-26. Wish he was around, I could just ask him! He then was grounded due to hearing/vertigo problems, and joined the 57th FG (Thunderbolts) who were on the same base at Grosseto as a flying control officer. I met his turret gunner on his last 4 A-20K missions at the 47th BG reunion last year in Nashville TN, in May. Saw my name tag and said, "Your names O'Boyle? Sit down, I have to tell you about your father!" Man, did I listen... His favorite story was when my father got vertigo (Otitis Media) coming back at night from a mission. That one was dicey. Luckily they made it. Father requested landing instructions at Grosseto, ten minutes later John said over the intercom: "Were over the Mediterranean!" Somehow they made it back. John said he liked flying the night intruder missions, as he felt safer from flak and fighters. Here I met John in May, found out he lives 45 miles from me, then he passed away October 8th. Just like that. Just got to know him. It felt fateful that I met John, made it seem like my father was alive again meeting all the 47th BG veterans.
I know the Invaders flew missions with the Havocs when they only had the A-26B model available, as the A-20J or K was used as the pathfinder navigator ship, with the BN (Bombardier Navigator) acting as navigator for the whole box of planes.[image][/image] This is explained in superb detail in the book "Attack Bombers We Need You" by Ralph Conte, with the 416th BG out of England and France.
The A-26's in Italy, at Grosseto, may have done the same, although with the C model available, they may have gone out at night on there own. I have just three pictures of A-26 Invaders at Grosseto, which are not the best. In the pics of them landing, 4 Invaders and a B-25 are in the background parked. I will try to include them here and in the next posts... Mark

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/10/2006 08:59:38 PM
A-26C at dusk, Grosseto Italy 1945


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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/10/2006 09:04:35 PM
A-26 Invader, Grosseto Italy 1945

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/10/2006 09:20:37 PM
Ken O'Boyle and A-26C, Wright Patterson Air Force Base Museum, Dayton Ohio 1971

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RE: A-20G/H/J/K version - 05/12/2006 01:58:47 PM
Thanks Mark,
very interesting story.
And thanks for the picture also.
 
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