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A relative of mine died in Tunesia I believe in 1943. His name was Stephen Prislupsky. Apparently his plane went down during takeoff. I'd like some more info on the crash if possible. Name of plane or serial number. Name of crew etc.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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From Dick Drain's 5th Wing History of Aircraft Assigned :
 
42-30121    414    Hit oil drum on takeoff. 6 Juyl 1943 Crashed and burned.
 
Paul Slaten crew, Lowe,Studek,Johnson, Gold, Wall, Wopodian, Gallant, Morris,Showers. All KIA.
 
From 97th Bomb Group History Book "Venit Hora-The Hour Has Come" :
 
Mission # 133. Satellite Landing Ground, Gerbini, Italy.  6 July 1943.
 
Sirrocco causes tragedy, from the diary of Joe Kyfes.

There was a mission scheduled when the "African Sorocco", which is a strong wind tht blows south to north about 50-70 MPH came up.Our runway is laid east to west. The third aircraft taking off in this crosswind hit some empty gas drums that were off to the side. The plane went  stright up and then straight down and exploded killling all 10 crewmen, and Carl Essigman, a fine mechanic.
 
* Accidental Death.
Prislusky,Stephen M.     6 Jul 1943
 
Note :  Prislusky is not listed as a crewmember of the  Paul Slaten crew, however, also note that the spelling of your relative does not match your posting either...This may be  due to the almost unreadable microfilm that Drain had to attempt to decipher, along with possible clerical errors in editing the book Venit Hora
  
 
Jim :-)
 
 
 
 
 
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Thanks for this information. Very helpful. According to some other info I found the plane was calle "The Virgin" would love to find a photo of the plane, a long shot I know.
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Strange that it would list his name as accidental death but not even mention him on the crew list. I have a picture of his gravestone and its definitely spelled Prislupsky.  I do know he was stationed in the UK for a while and was wounded on a mission there. My family was in contact with the woman he rented a room from off base for a long time. She had fond memories of him. Described him as looking like an American Movie Star.
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Not so strange,when you consider war time conditions...I have an official listing of my missions,and,they do not agree with my recollections and my own private recordings of my missions,as to the pilots other than my own, that I flew with.
 
I am sorry that I did not take the time to get a copy of the loading lists of my missions, because,I was the one crewman who was tasked to fill them out...I was taken off my crew and returned to the ZI, in June 1945, to be assigned as a P-51 crew chief betwen VE and  VJ day. The rest of my crew did not return until September 1945...and they were given time to visit Cairo,and the Pyramids,which I missed.
 
As I mentioned in the previous posting, possibly the microfilm was so unreadable, that the transcribing  individual had to guess at spelling of some of the names.
 
I was told at one time,that when compiling the microfilm records, that some personnel were assigned to that task, and were not particularly careful, in the process,as they were awaiting their time for discharge to arrive,and were assigned that job to keep them occupied. Whether that was true, I do not know for certain.
 
Jim :-)

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Thank you Jim for your response and the information you posted. I appreciate it.
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A relative of mine died in Tunesia I believe in 1943. His name was Stephen Prislupsky. Apparently his plane went down during takeoff. I'd like some more info on the crash if possible. Name of plane or serial number. Name of crew etc.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Lt. Pete Slaten was my Great Uncle and "Pilot In Command" on 6 July 1943 when an accident took place on take off from Chateau Dun Du Romel, I have a lot of info on the crew and the crash but your relative does not appear as part of the crew. There was one ground crew perponell that was killed by the crash that day but I have no info on who he was. I would be happy to share any info I have with you. And the squadron number appears different.
 
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Thanks Guy for your response. Strange that his name does not appear. I know for a fact that he was a bombardier with the 97th BG. His brother, my great uncle had paperwork etc. According to him he was originally stationed in the UK the eventually transferred to North Africa. Ive got a picture of his gravestone in NY, http://www.findagrave.com...884153&df=all&
I'd love to hear what info you have on that particular plane etc.
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I have not had any luck in pinning down the aircraft involved. I have heard the name "The Virgin" tossed around a lot but have no info or photos of that aircraft. I do know that crews and aircraft were always being switched around. You didn't always fly the same aircraft. Pete & his grew flew a brand new F model to Africa from the Stated but the story goes that the more experianced crews got the newer planes and the new guys often got to fly the older veterans. Maybe someone else can help us out with a tail # and photo of the Virgin.
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There is an explanation for some of the confusion.....the nose art/name has to be visible in any nose art/name photo to be positively ID'd....along with the information stenciled UNDER the  LEFT pilot's sliding window, ...OR the tail number has to be visible in any nose art/name photo.

About 75% of the nose art/names are taken of the RIGHT side of the nose....and the required ID info is on the LEFT side of the aircraft.....therefore the photo cannot be tied to a particular aircraft.
 
In addition....SOME aircaft had one name/nose art on one side of the aircraft nose and a DIFFERENT nose art/name on the other side....which goes a long way toward the confusion as to names/nose art...and also if an aircraft is transferred from one BG to another,...the original name MAY be changed as well.
 
Now to add to all this...NOT all aircraft were named.....most original aircraft that were in a bomb group that moved to an oversea location enmasse were named and or had nose art.......also, sometimes a newly assigned aircraft was sent on a mission almost as soon as it was assigned to a bomb group...and was lost, prior to the art work being painted.
 
So there many explanations as to why some aircraft never had a nose art or name.
 
I hope this helps to explain why there is so much confusion....as to nose art and names.

If the only nose art/name was on the RIGHT side of the nose....then there is NO positive ID that can be made at this late date.
 
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Thank you Sir for your help and you service.
For anyone else who is interested this is a link to the Crash Report. As you will see this was filled out almost 3 years after the crash and in fact has Sgt. John Gold listed as Pilot instead of Paul Slaten. So, SNAFU!
 
http://www.reddog1944.com/SLATEN_414th.htm
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Great info, Ive also heard the name The Virgin. So strange his name doesnt appear on the list. I do know that after he was killed he was buried in North Africa until after the war and at the request of family his body was brought back to NY.
 
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I found this stock footage shot on June 13, 1943 of the Gerbini Aerodrome being bombed. The same airstrip that was to be bombed on July 6th
http://www.criticalpast.c...eased_billows-of-smoke
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Well I have found more info. My cousin John Bailey collected all this info over the years and passd it down to me. I have a copy of the 97th BG history book. It describes the crash of 6 July 43 and gives the name of the ground crew mechanic killed as Carl Essingman. There were also at least three other ground crew injured but no names given.
In the back of the book is a list of all 97th personel killed during the war. My cousin has underlined 12 names...10 of these are listed as air crew on the accident report...one is the mechanic killed on the ground...the other is Cpl Stephen M. Prislusky. As I said all 12 names are underlined and all the air crewmen have an asteric after their name except SSgt John W. Showers (tail gunner). Also there is no asteric after the names of you relative and the ground mechanic either.
So the mystery thickens. The date of death  for 11 of these guys is given as 7-06-43 except for your relative Stephen who is listed as 6-07-43 (could be a transposed mistake).
Evidently there is a reason Stephen's name was underlined by my cousin but he does not remember and I can find no other records.
The grave marker at Jefferson Barracks in St. Louis shows six of the crewmen one of which is John Showers. So I don't think it was a case of Prislusky standing in for Showers on that day. 
So, some good info here but no answer as yet as to what happened to Stephen. Do you have any records that might help.
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There is an obituary for Stephen M Prislusky giving a date of death as June 7, 1943. It is in a paper dated 22 Feb, 1949.  The body had been returned from overseas earlier in the month.    You can use CTRL and "+" to enlarge the page.  
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Yes, I see this one and earlier today I saw the one where the body had been returned from Africa. I went back through the 97th history book and searched missions around the 7 June 43 date and found nothing on Stephan. He was definately a member of the 97th, a Corpral and listed ad killed 6-07-43. Perhaps someone else will read this and have more info....till then best of luck..GW York
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This is all great info, Ive never seen the obituary for Stephan, thanks for posting this. I just remember hearing how his body arrived at the train station and how his parents and brothers were there to great the body. If I remember right they were given about 100 dollars to bury the body.
I wish I had more info on him. The last brother, great uncle who told me the stories past away about 4 years ago so not much else is known. I was told he was station first in the UK and ran bombing missions from there. At one point he rented a room at a womans house in town, not sure whether it was London or where. When he was transferred to North Africa he left some belongings at her house. After the war his parents received a letter from her asking how Stephan was and she still had his things. They wrote back and gave her the news. I believe they heard from her a couple of times after that, she sent his things back. A sad ending of many sad endings during this time.
 
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I will include this second link which was the announcement of the return of the body.
It is interesting in that this is happening in February, 1949.  Nine bodies are being returned to this region of New York, six of them from the local area. 
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It sounds like you realy need to order up a copy of his Individual Deceased Personnel File (IDPF) from the US Army, details of how too do so are in the 'research help' link at the top of the forum.
if that doesn;t clearly state the cause of death nothign will.  It will take a few months to get it but will clear things up greatly for you.
 
http://www.armyairforces.com/ResearchHelp.aspx
 
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