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811th QM Platoon (TRK) (AVN) (SEP) 38th Service Group

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This is my first post I just found your site today. My father was in WW2. I am trying to do a timeline of his travels from the States to England then North Africa and Italy. I cannot find anything on the Web relating to 811th QM Platoon (TRK) (AVN) (SEP) 38th Service Group. It is almost like it did not exist or I am looking in the wrong places.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. If I can answer some questions from the information I gather from his letters and papers that I am finding I will post too.
 
 
 
 
 
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The 811th QM Truck Co, Avn was redesignated to another number in the 1900-2500 range in late 1942.  My station list for 1 May 1945 shows the 38th Service Group at Torremaggiore, Italy and assigned to 15th Air Force.  It has the 2460th QM Truck Co, Avn assigned there as well.  This could be 811th's new number.  Check with Bernie Sheron to be sure.

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This is what I have from a letter my father wrote home.
June 16, 1944 letter
"Well, the old 811th QM is being broken up this week. There is a general reorganization going on in the air force and this is just one of the phases of it all. We hung up an excellent record for ourselves and a general came to campsite last week to make a speech to us in appreciation. This is, no kidding a little unusual, for we are such a small outfit. Anyway, we're closing out. I don't know where I shall be going yet. I should know by the end of the week. One doesn't have much of a choice. I've tried getting with a Fighter outfit but don't know how it will come out. I'll probably land with some Headquarters and bat my brains out with more red tape. Anyway, I'll still be in the army no matter where I go. In the mean time, you should hold up any mail until I give you my new address."
 
June 26, 1944 letter
"Now here is my new address:
Headquarters & Headquarters Squadron
38th Service Group, APO 520, etc.
 
Four of the boys from the old outfit were transferred with me and the rest are all in different outfits in this area. Although this new unit is a larger outfit than the old 811th and therefore not so “family like” there are a great many advantages which the old unit did not offer. There is a shower right handy for one thing, and the food seems to be prepared a bit better, also we are stationed right in a town although we sleep in tents. There is a movie almost every nite.
I’m now working in a Headquarters Personnel Section. The work is very much like that which I have been doing in the past excepting that I’m not working directly with the men, but rather checking reports which are sent through from the smaller units and that are sent to higher Headquarters.
Of course, it was hard to see all of the boys go and especially since we had been together for so long. But that’s one of the things the army has to offer as a matter of course."
 
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Checking the microfilm index from Maxwell AFB for "PLATOON/0811/QUARTERMASTER TRUCK AVIATION" gives a very rough timeline for the 811st:
16th April 1942: Activated in England
16th April 1942 - 1st December 1943: Trinidad (possibly a typo)
1st September 1943 - 1st December 1943: Tunisia
Last monthly unit history is for May 1944, which would match with the June 16 1944 letter.
 
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I am not sure that the AFHRA history index is referring to one unit.
 
A June 1942 station list for Sixth Air Force shows the 811th Quartermaster Company (Truck), Air Depot Group stationed at Waller Field, Trinidad and assigned to the 24th Air Depot Group.  By December 1943 (the end date for the AFHRA entry) this unit should have been broken up or redesignated as a Quartermaster Truck Company in the 2400-2499 block of numbers. 
 
The 811th Quartermaster Platoon (Truck), Aviation (Separate) was assigned to the 38th Service Group at Oujda in 1943.
 
The Platoon may have started as a platoon of the Company, though (the 2nd Platoon of the 811th Company became the 723rd Quartermaster Truck Platoon -- I have no information on other platoons) or it may have been a redesignation of the Company (less its other component platoons).  It is also possible that if these are a separate units, the Platoon was activated at a different location than the Company (although activation in different theaters of operations would be odd).  Sorry I have nothing more definite than this.
 

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That's quite possible Bernie, especially as there seems to be no immediate reference to a "COMPANY/0811/QUARTERMASTER" in the AFHRA index whatsoever.
 
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If the 811th QM Truck Company (AVN) members were assigned to the 2460th QM Truck Company (AVN), then they were at AAF Advanced Depot #52 (Gioia del Colle Air Field, Italy), sometime after 19 Dec 1943.  The 41st Air Depot Group was assigned to Gioia and the 2460th was co-located with the 41st ADG.  On 14 May 1945 the 38th Air Depot Group took over AAF Advanced Depot # 52 (the Command units of the 41st ADG left for the USA).  On 26 July 1945 all units started to leave Gioia for AAF General Depot #3 (Capodichina Air Depot), Naples, Italy where they waited out the remainder of the war.  Shortly after that Gioia del Colle ceased to be a US AAF base.

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It has been a while since doing more research. I appreciate though all the help you have given so far. I am doing a book for my family on my Father during World War Two. I have located more letters, pictures and mementos. Some pictures are labeled and some not so finding or should I say guessing the location is interesting. Maybe if I post some pictures someone could help.
Understanding the big picture of where he fits in is confusing at times. Is there a way to find out what ship he took to England? Can I assume he took the USS Uruguay? He shipped out of Fort Dix on August 6, 1942. On one the Web sites it says that the USS Uruguay took the 301st Bomb Group on August 6, 1942 and arrived in Swansea, Wales on August 18. So would that mean he was part of the 301st?
My Father was company clerk. Does he have a trail of paper work that could identify where he has been? This is quoted from my Father in a letter "So far, the present routine of my day goes I carry out to the best of my aptitude the work of any company clerk. Reporting to higher headquarters on this, that, whatever else. Reading and trying to remember a hundred different directives, which come out. In general trying my best to keep the government well posted on the boys in my outfit either through records or through payrolls. Trying to keep the boys straight with the government.
Actually, I spend a great of time before papers and a typewriter. Probably, I fork five good hours a day on the average. Sometimes I work more at the first of the month or around the fifteenth, but I think maybe four hours a day is a good average to mark down. Of course, all of us are on hand for duty at any hour of the day so maybe this balances the lack of longer hours of actual work. The full designation of this outfit in 811th Quartermaster Platoon (Truck) (Aviation) (Separate) and from this you might know that we are a trucking outfit. All of the boys are truck drivers excepting a few who are mechanics or cooks or clerks. Mostly we operate with the air corps and have been at every important air base in North Africa. More than that, I don't believe I can tell you. You can I believe get somewhat of an idea of “My Day", so far as work goes."
Below is his timeline in the United States before departure:
March 13, 1942
Inducted into United States Army Air Force
Fort Snelling, Minnesota
March 17, 1942
Train to Cheyenne, Wyoming
March 18, 1942
Arrive Cheyenne, Wyoming  for Basic Training Fort Francis E. Warren, Wyoming
Company L (1 week), Company F
May 22, 1942
Leave 10:30 am by train Cheyenne, Wyoming
May 25, 1942
Arrive 4:00 am
Headquarters Army Personnel
811th Q.M. Detachment
7th Air Depot Group
Brookley Field, Alabama
July 24, 1942
Arrive by train at 9:30 am
Fort Dix, New Jersey
811th Q.M. (TRK)
7th Air Depot Group
APO #1254 New York, NY
August 30, 1942
Fort Dix, New Jersey
August 5, 1942 Restricted to camp
Fort Dix
August 6, 1942 Ship out Embark from New York
August 8, 1942 Embark Halifax, Nova Scotia.
At sea England via disembarkation at Swansea, Wales on August 18th
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The information you received indicates that the 811th QM Pltn (Truck) was not assigned to the 301st Bombardment Group in 1942, but to the 7th Air Depot Group.  This makes sense, since the dates you mention for his assignment to the 811th at Brookley Fld and at Ft Dix match the dates the 7th left Brookley Field for shipment overseas to the United Kingdom.  Assignment to the UK in the fall of 1942 is also consistent with the platoon forming part of the invasion force for North Africa and being stationed at Oujda in 1943.  Since the 7th Air Depot Group remained in England and did not move to North Africa, this may also be the time the platoon was reassigned to the 38th Service Group.

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I found the attached picture in my fathers WW2 pictures. I am not sure where the photo was taken or who the soldier is standing on the bumper of a truck. What do the markings on the bumper mean?
 
 
 
 

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I'm guessing 12th Airforce 811th Quartermasters. Not sure about TRK - truck maybe but have no idea about the last bit beginning with Z. Probably just an ID number.


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Thank you for the quick response. This will help in my research of my father's travels throughout North Africa.
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