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571st Squadron's "Chaff Wagon" 44-297821
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10/09/2007 04:41:56 AM
Hi Hi there. I am trying to find out any details on the loss of 390th (571st Squadron) B-17 Serial No. 297821 "Chaff Wagon" lost on a mission to Mainz on 8 September 1944. My understanding is that aircraft was in collision with other aircraft and crashed over Idstein. If anyone can help me with crew details and any photos of "Chaff Wagon" and her crew I would be very grateful. I am already in touch with three of "Chaff Wagons" usual crew (not flying her on day of loss) - Sidney Cohn (Radio Operator), Silvester Koehler (Tail Gunner) and Oliver Johnson (Bombardier). All three are still alive and in good health. Hoping someone out there can help me in my quest. I am completing research for a book on the story of Chaff Wagon and her crew. Do please email me direct if you have any information that may be of assistance. I am a resident of Perth in Western Australia and a Curator at the Army Museum of Western Australia. I would be delighted to hear from any veterans who may have known Sidney Cohn or any of the other Chaff Wagon Crewr or anyone who saw Chaff Wagon explode as she apparently did. I do not have full crew list for her on the day of loss but have unsubstantiated data that one crew member was seen to jump with parachute on fire and two other crew managed to parachute successfully and were taken POW. I would LOVE to make contact with them if they are still around. Do please email me on cghawkins@iinet.net.au or telephone +61 8 9354 2231 if you have any information to share. Best wishes to you all. Chris Hawkins.
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RE: 571st Squadron's "Chaff Wagon" 44-297821
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10/09/2007 05:51:38 AM
The crew at the time of the loss were: Handley, James P Pilot KIA Hadley, Paul C Co-Pilot POW Capek, Frank W Navigator KIA Lee, Glenn E Bombardier KIA Brown, Arthur H Engr/TTG POW Stubbs, James A RadioOperator KIA Spacil, Albert A BallTurret KIA Keller, Norman E WaistGunner KIA Dymek, Anthony J TailGunner KIA The loss of this a/c is documented in MACR 8602 A/C history from 390BG database: 297821 B-17G 571 M ChaffWagon "Accepted by USAAF 8 Mar 44. Denver Mod Center 8 Mar 44. Hunter Field 16 Apr 44. Tulsa 24 Apr 44. Hunter Field 25 Apr 44. Grenier 5 May 44. 8th AF 7 May 44. MIA Mainz 8 Sep 44. Exploded four minutes after being hit by flak. Crashed at Idstein. Brown, Hadley POW, rest KIA." Good luck in your research - Bill Gavin
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RE: 571st Squadron's "Chaff Wagon" 44-297821
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10/09/2007 12:38:24 PM
Chris, Some info based on Bill's answer. Capek: O-710226 2LT from NY Hadley: O-819517 1LT from NY Handley: O-757190 1LT from AZ pilot school MF 43I Lee: O-765698 2LT from TX bombardier school Deming, NM 44-01 Dave
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RE: 571st Squadron's "Chaff Wagon" 44-297821
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10/09/2007 04:36:55 PM
Chris - Contact Carolyn Beubian , Research Dept. , 390th BG Museum. res390th@aol.com Mike
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