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2007/01/01 16:03:32 (permalink)
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493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky"

Happy New Year!
Would like to add the following information of my Uncle Archie's  crew members who flew the B-17 called
"Cabin in the Sky" (Would like to locate the tail number).
 
Pilot -              Richard B. Eaton
Co-Pilot -         Daniel F. Predpall
Navigator -      Morris Cutler
Toggeleer -      G.N. Thomas
Engineer -        Archie B. Sturgell
Radio Op -        Robert E. Meache
Ball Gunner -    Wallace C. Denny
Waist Gunner - Stanley Buffington
Tail Gunner -     Allan W. Clarke
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2007/01/01 17:40:22 (permalink)
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Hello Steven:

Can't find any reference to a B-17 assigned to the 493rd BG being named "CABIN IN THE SKY".  There were a number of B-17's with that name, but not in the 493rd BG.

I do have microfilm of some 493rd BG documents and have printed some of the thousands.  The Officer Roster for April 1945 shows 1st LT Richard B Eaton, 0779822.  I also have made printed copies of some of the Mission Reports.  I first show LT Eaton on 7 Apr 1945, but can't make out the serial number of the plane.  Then, on 9 Apr he was reported as being on plane "891".  I have been unable to identify the actual serial number of this plane (reference material I have doesn't show a B-17 with the last three digits of "891" as being assigned to the 493rd BG).  On 14 Apr, he was flying B-17 43-38226 (no name).  On this particular mission, LT Eaton was flying in "A" Squadron just behind and to the left of the plane (B-17G 44-6968 - "SONOF-A-BLITZ) my dad (1st LT Donald J Schmitt) was on as co-pilot.

NOTE:  I only printed copies of those Mission Reports my dad flew.

Unfortunately, the microfilm I have does not have any Enlisted Roster -- only an Officer Roster.  In a visit to the 8th AF Museum in Savannah, GA, I printed some documents they had on the 493rd BG.  One of them was a Roster (containing both officer and enlisted) and it appears to have been something put together by someone after the war (it is certainly not an AF document).  In it there is this entry:

Sgt. Archie B. Sturgill (yes, it has an "i" instead of an "e")
Box 113
Konnarock, Virginia

Hope this is of some assistance.

Don't hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions.

Happy New Year!

David
d.schmitt@prodigy.net
post edited by djschmitt - 2007/01/01 17:41:31
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RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2007/01/13 17:24:30 (permalink)
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Then, on 9 Apr he was reported as being on plane "891".

 
True......there is no "891" listed inn Helton's Hellcats BUT......I just wonder if it could have been B-17G-75-VE   44-8691    863/P F     Betsy Details: Kingman, AZ, Dec 45
 
(Just thinking the 8 MIGHT be a 6)   Jonesie
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RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2007/01/13 18:50:44 (permalink)
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Hello Jonesie:
 
I looked into the possibility of "891" really being "691" -- went back to the 493rd BG microfilm I have.  The Formation Diagram for the 24 March 1945 mission to Varel shows "891" being piloted by 1st LT Lawrence O BRADY, Jr (of the 861st BS) AND "691" being piloted by 2nd LT William E. CRAIG (of the 863rd BS).  So, both "891" and "691" were attached to the 493rd BG. 
 
I will do some more investigation.
 
Take care,
 
David
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RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2007/01/13 19:18:18 (permalink)
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Just shopping for a B-17/'891 match, per http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b17_27.html there was a B-17 #44-8891; lineage unknown other than what's listed (see below).

Take what you like and leave the rest....

Andy
post edited by Huey - 2007/01/13 19:25:21

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Re: RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2013/08/18 21:32:41 (permalink)
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The picture of Cabin in the Sky crew has my father, front row, middle, Stanley R. Buffington, Waist Gunner. The 493rd was using 9 man crews so my father worked both waist guns as needed. Your Uncle Archie is listed as Engineer, but also the upper-turret. If you were along for the ride the Army kept you busy, e.g., Archie was the Engineer and Gunner, my dad was Assistant Engineer to Archie, Gunner and tripped the camera to record the Bomb Strike.
You can tell the Tail Gunner, Alan Clarke, he's the one far left back row with a canteen cup on his belt.
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Re: RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2013/08/18 21:58:00 (permalink)
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Hello Gunner Buff,
 
It sure has been a long time since my last posting on this message thread (back in January 2007).
 
Your dad flew 18 missions with the crew of LT Richard B Eaton, at least one Chowhound (Dutch Food Drop) mission and possibly one Revival (return of Allied POWs) mission.
 
I have additional information.  Don't hesitate to contact me directly at the e-mail address in my signature (below).
 
Hoping to hear from you.
 

David Schmitt
d.schmitt@prodigy.net
son of 1st LT Donald J. Schmitt, USAAF, co-pilot
assigned to 493rd BG/863rd BS at Debach, England
from Nov 1944 thru May 1945
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Re: RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2013/10/18 13:40:31 (permalink)
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djschmitt
On 14 Apr, he was flying B-17 43-38226 (no name).  On this particular mission, LT Eaton was flying in "A" Squadron just behind and to the left of the plane (B-17G 44-6968 - "SONOF-A-BLITZ) my dad (1st LT Donald J Schmitt) was on as co-pilot.



The people at the Debach museum sent me a number of records, among them was a list of aircraft my father flew on. It lists 43-38226 as Cabin in the Sky. The Munday/Peoria Belle crew flew mission 102, 14 Jan 45 on it.
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Re: RE: 493rd / 861 Sqdn - "Cabin in the Sky" 2013/10/18 14:55:20 (permalink)
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Hello Kathleen,
 
It has been quite a while since I replied to the earlier posts in this string (in 2007).  Since then, I have picked up copies of Mission Reports, Formation Diagrams, and other documents detailing each mission (only up through mid-February 1945).
 
Can I help you with anything specific? 
 
You can contact me direct by e-mail (below in my signature).  Hope to hear from you.
post edited by 493rdBG - 2013/10/18 21:38:46

David Schmitt
d.schmitt@prodigy.net
son of 1st LT Donald J. Schmitt, USAAF, co-pilot
assigned to 493rd BG/863rd BS at Debach, England
from Nov 1944 thru May 1945
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