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2010/01/27 12:09:00 (permalink)
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454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron

I am looking for information about unit colors for the above mentioned group. My wifes grandfather was a Navagator and I am rtying to help her find out all that she can about his time in service. I am building a model of a B-24 Liberator and I want to paint it the same as the Bird He was crewed with. I cant find any info that is very helpful. I would be thankful for any help anyone could provide.

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    Bob Watkins
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/01/27 12:39:26 (permalink)
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    Gary,

    The attached image may be a bit hard to read but should help
    you get started on your project.

    A good next step would be to check out the following link. This
    is probably the best source I know of for WWII B-24 images:


    http://www.b24bestweb.com/

    Good luck and have fun with your project.

    Bob

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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/01/28 09:05:58 (permalink)
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    Adding to Bob's post, to narrow it down, just do a search for "454 739" on...
    http://search.freefind.com/find.html?lang=en&id=47862833&pageid=r&query=454+739

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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/01/29 14:07:28 (permalink)
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    Here are some diagrams of tail markings. The 454th's were done in white.

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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/05/12 20:44:32 (permalink)
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    I am looking for info on members of my dad's squadron, the 739th.  He flew in a plane named Miss America.  He was a ball gunner.  His pilot was Howard Jensen, I believe.  Is there anyway to get addresses of the remaining crew members.  I am looking for anyone who wrote a journal.  I don't want the information to be lost.  I am so grateful for the sacrifices of these brave men.
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/05/13 00:16:10 (permalink)
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    Zwoman, have you seen pictures of his airplane on Daniel's website  " B-24bestweb.com " ?  Aircraft is first one pictured at the link below, named  " Miss America '44 ",  454th BG, 739th BS.   This airplane eventually flew 133 missions, so it would have had several different crews and pilots in it's combat career. 
     
     
    http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-M-MISS_AMERICA_44-MISS_BD.htm 

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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/05/13 15:38:08 (permalink)
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    The pix are great....my dad has similar ones.  Thanks for the quick response. I'll keep searching. Any other websites would be helpful.
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/07/08 08:35:23 (permalink)
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    My great-uncle, Buster McAffrey, was a crew member on a bomber called the Miss America- it flew over Germany/Europe and had 13 or so kills of Nazi planes- is this the one you're talking about? If so, I'll scan the picture I have of Buster and the plane and send it to you...
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2010/12/22 19:14:55 (permalink)
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    Where did you  find these documents?  These are great. I have never seen the markings on the horizontal stabilizer.
    I knew they  existed but had never seen them. thanks,
    John.
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/09/30 12:45:19 (permalink)
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    Hello!

    A little late here, but this thread is important to me.
     
    My name is John Mollison and I interview WW2 airmen and draw their airplanes.
     
    I'm currently researching two 739BS/454BG aircraft which were crewed by a replacement Flt Engineer named Howard Jensen (see above post).
     
    One is Miss America'44 and the other is Hare Power - HJ flew in both aircraft a number of times in combat.
     
    Anyway, both B-24s bore the Olive Drab paint - before the all-aluminum schemes that were prevalent after Spring '44.
     
    I need some information...
     
    1. Anyone know the buzz numbers of either aircraft?
    2. I know the rudder markings were white on the bottom with a black diamond on top...but that's for the aluminum rudder.  What about the Olive Drab rudders?  (A black diamond wouldn't show up well against OD and I have at least one reference of a white diamond for 739th BS airplanes).
     
    Feel free to learn more about what I do at:   www.johnmollison.com
     
    Or contact me directly:   office21@mac.com
     
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/10/01 08:15:52 (permalink)
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    John (and ALL)
    For MISS AMERICA '44...
    Ref: http://b24bw.proboards.co...isplay&thread=1771
     
    For HARE POWER (V1) [# looks like '86' ?]...
    Ref: http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-H-HARE-HARO.htm
     

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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/10/25 18:58:28 (permalink)
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    R W Swank thank you!  YES That is my Uncle Harry - He went to WVU - Morgantown is very close to Pt. Marion, PA.  But I don't know his unit or squadron, or anything or his record.
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 06:33:59 (permalink)
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    Gary
    I have been doing research on the 454th and also trying to find pictures of the aircraft and getting a listing of their serial numbers. What I have found about the 15th AF color schemes that they were ever changing. Not all AC had the stablizers painted and the irst AC were olive drab. The black diamon on the stablizer actually looks white and then the bottom was painted white for the 454th.
    A good book to have is the "B-24 Liberator Units of the 15th AF" by Robert Dorr found it at half price books online around $15. There are not many pitures for the 454th in it, but it will give you an ideal of paint jobs. On the back cover is a piture of the 736th BS "Flyin' Home" B-24H-15-DT 41-28914 RCL 506. RCL (Radio Call Letter) this was on the side nose of the AC
     
    I found a piture of her in the Airforce papers that I receievd, however when it was scanned all you can see is a black out line of two aircraft and the "Miss America 44's RCL number 100
    From my reading the RCL number was 40 inches high and they were placed just aft of the waist gunners. B24H-15-FO 42-52312 RCL 100 739th BS. She flew 133 missions and had many crews. Lt Paul Cash my cousin's pilot of their crew said they did not have a specific AC to fly, matte of fact the nice brand new one they brought over was taken and given to senoir crews.
     
    Miss America '44 is mentioned in "The Flight of the Liberators The story of the Four Hundred and Fifty-Fourth Bombardment Group" Battery Press Nashville, " page 29, when the crew began their flight from the states to Italy they took the souther route. Their ship had not been named until they were in South America. It states "Under the brush of Lt. Bobinsky, the bombadier, a name and a symbol had been emblazoned of the fuselage of the fighting lady. Christened on New Year's Eve, and reflected the thoughs of the crew members on that special evening: "God, I mss America already". The picture of the girl was a Varga girl. This book was found in a book store in Italy and be expected to pay $100 of more for it. 1946 copyright and I belive a 1987 copyright.
     
    Hope this helps I am trying to do the same for Flight Sim and gather information for the 454th
     
     
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 06:38:22 (permalink)
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    Wildcat55,
     
    DO you have in your listing also plane R-Baby? and ist call sighn?/battle number?
    THX
     
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 07:12:16 (permalink)
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    I know this is an old post but if anyone is still interested B24H-10-FO, 42-52173 RCL 619 736th BS
    www.b24bestweb.com do a search as 736 only
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 07:23:18 (permalink)
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    NONONO, 619 was transfer flight number...not the battle number assigned accordig to Squadron and Group standards.. ;)
     
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 07:27:26 (permalink)
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    So this number was placed on the AC when it was being assigned to a squadron? I have seen some of the squdron photos with this number still on their nose
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 07:31:27 (permalink)
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    Yes, these numbers were applied in States, prior to transfer overseas...at MTO BAttle number was different.  But these often stayed painted on the nose. Such a high numbers were used only ocassionaly by Mickey ships (e.g. 484BG had Mickey ships designe 300, 400, 600.)
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/06 15:43:05 (permalink)
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    Do you know which Dept in the Army Airforces assigned the aircraft to the squadrons. I have been trying to get a listing of the aircraft for the 454th's squadron. I have copiled at least 40 aircraft per squadron and have the either last three serial numbers and in some cases the last four serial numbers for the Aircraft from Sept 1944 to April 1945. The battle numbers don't show up on the mission summaries until 19 Nov 1944. And unfortunately the mission summaries have a gap from Feb 45 to March 1945 in showing the formation of the AC with pilot name. ANd even in the months where the formation layout is shown not all mission summaries include the formation layout.
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    Re:454th Bomb Group 739th Bomber Squadron 2011/11/07 01:10:23 (permalink)
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    I have no idea of department assigning these numbers. Sorry.
    What I have is the loss list of 454BG a/c , where serial and squadrons can be seen. That is all.
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