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43rd patch
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09/18/2006 05:58:31 PM
I have a question about the insignia for the 43rd bomb group. I've only seen one picture of a WWII era version of the patch and it's small and not real clear. I think it shows the main colors as black and yellow. I've seen 1950's versions that are blue and yellow. I've been to the 43rd website and they show a modern design that is black and yellow, so do any of you guys know if it was blue and yellow or black and yellow?
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Janet
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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RE: 43rd patch
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09/19/2006 05:34:36 AM
Janet,
The official color (for the approved patch dated Jan 42) is azure. I asked a friend who is an experienced collector - he has seen one that is either a dark, dark blue or possibly black so he cannot give a 100% answer. But as the official version is azure, I'd have to go along w/ that.
Gary
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RE: 43rd patch
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09/19/2006 06:10:53 PM
Thanks Gary, that's a big help.
Janet
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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RE: 43rd patch
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09/19/2006 06:49:10 PM
You're welcome. Glad to assist.
Gary
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RE: 43rd patch
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09/20/2006 07:04:46 AM
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RE: 43rd patch
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09/22/2006 08:34:30 PM
Thanks.
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/27/2007 06:14:40 AM
These are very hard to find. I've been searching the internet for months and only found one source that does reproductions and they are $68 each. OUCH!
I'm going to a funeral for a crew member of the plane "Here T'is" on July 7th and would really like these patches to honor this airman.
"Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/27/2007 07:18:57 AM
Janet....Excerpt from Air Force Combat Units of WW II by Maurer-Maurer. Insigne. Shield: Per fess nebuly or and azure, a drop bomb counterchanged. Motto: Willing, Ready:(Approved 31 Jan 1942) It appears that the colors are orange and azure (or and azure) A copy of Air Force Combat Units of WW II by Maurer-Maurer should be available in your Public LIbrary, and if not, can be obtained through the interservice lending of the Public Library. Here is the URL for a PDF copy of the Combat Units of the Air Force in WW II. https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/Publications/fulltext/af_combat_units_wwii.pdf The insigna is shown in black and white..(no color)...a check with a person familiar with the wording of the description may be necessary to arrive at the correct insignia colors. Jim :-)
<message edited by jpeters140 on 06/27/2007 07:20:52 AM >
James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions 99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45 M/Sgt USAF (Retired)
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/27/2007 08:08:43 PM
Thanks Jim. The PDF was helpful. It's to bad nobody (affordably) reproduces this patch. Maybe someday.
Thanks again,
Janet
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/27/2007 08:38:39 PM
Unfortunately it is quite expensive to create a design for embroidery due to the time and digitizing process. My 5th AF patch, 3" in diameter, has over 10,000 stitches and took many hours at the computer to digitize.
To digitize a design for a 5" patch, by a qualified company is probably in the area of $50.00 for a 4 color simple design. However, there are some out there so keep looking.
Jerry S/Sgt. USAF Radio Operator '52-'56 C-119 "Flying Boxcar" cousin of T/Sgt. Frank Hrehocik RO/Gunner 381st BG - 533rd BS 381st BGMA LTM Volunteer - National Museum of the US Air Force
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/27/2007 08:44:13 PM
Thanks Jerry. One of my cousins who works for the government, had the patch reproduced by some "locals" when she was overseas. The patches aren't perfect but they give a pretty good representation. One of these days I'll research companies to do a more exact reproduction.
Janet
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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RE: 43rd patch
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06/29/2007 12:32:12 PM
ship ahoy,
I've sent you an email about the 43rd patch. Email me if you are interested.
Janet G. Kimble Niece of S/Sgt. Robert B. Gills, Jr. B-17 Flight Engineer/Top Turret 5th AF, 43rd BG, 64th BS KIA 21 May 1943
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