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435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105)

Hello, 
 
First of all, I just wanted to comment what a great forum this is. I have spend most of today searching through the archives and the knowledge here is remarkable. Very nice. 
 
I was wondering if some of you can help me; I am looking for more information on Plane #42 (Serial 42-24105) "Delaplane", from the 435th T.C.G. for Operation Neptune (D-Day, June 6th, 1944). The main reason for the search is that I am researching the story of a 501st PIR (Reg. HQ) trooper that was onboard of this plane. 
 
I would love to have your advice on how I can obtain the Plane's manifest, I know that these were filed by the jumpmaster. However, I am unaware where I would be able to obtain these. I would also very much like to know who the crew was and what happened with them after the war. Any other archive material would be interesting, flight maps, after reports etc. etc. 
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 
 
Kind regards, 
 
Mark Webber

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    SHAEF1944
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 10:28:26 (permalink)
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    Link to start out with ... 42-24105 at bottom of diagram showing plane formation positions for D-Day drops.  Dig around through the website, might be more info there.
     
    http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/aeropus/en_page.php?page=s13

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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 11:02:06 (permalink)
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    Full A/C designator: C-47A-45-DL-42-24105
    http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDossier.php?Serial=74575
     
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 13:03:41 (permalink)
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    #42-24105 - Mission Albany - CN #42 - Serial #13
    P : 1st Lt. Delaplane, Channing L.
    CP : 2nd Lt. Timmons, Eugene E.
    RO : S/Sgt. Jackson, Gerhard W.
    CC : T/Sgt. Smith, Wilson C.

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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 16:41:40 (permalink)
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    Wow, you guys are quick!
     
    Thank you Shaef1944, 25kingman49 and Patelie -- really appreciate your posts. 
     
    Patelie, what is the difference between CN #42 and serial #13? - What do these two stand for? The trooper I am researching was onboard plane #42, he was in the 501st Reg. HQ, so based on chart at 6juin1944.com (To which Shaef1944 pointed as well), I concluded that plane #42 was "42-24105". Is this correct, or should I be looking for the serial #. -- I am confused. 
     
    Any idea how / where I can obtain the plane manifest? 
     
    Thanks again for your help and support. 
     
    Kid regards, 

    Mark
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 16:46:32 (permalink)
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    Neglect my question reg #42 and Serial #13. By taking a closer look at your website I found out that the serial stands for the 435th TCG. -- Which hopefully means that I am looking for plane #42-24105. 
     
     
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/07 22:29:58 (permalink)
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    Maybe almost as good as finding the manifest is finding the plane itself.

    She still lives as N138FS.

    Run a GOOGLE search of this N-number and you will discover her history as well as her current operating status, location and owner....and MANY photos of her in flight in her current livery.
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 04:20:43 (permalink)
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    pathfinder504 -- thank you for your response. I did this a while back, I am in touch with the person who currently owns the plane. 
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 04:42:45 (permalink)
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    Mark
    I have a little trouble with the fact that you say the trooper was in Reg Hq. and the serial of the plane.
    HQ 501 was carried in serial #14 (i.e col Johnson was in lead plane of serial #14 piloted by Kershaw),  took off from Merryfield and jumped on DZ 'D'. #42-24105 was in serial #13, took off from Welford and dropped her load on DZ 'C'.
    It's difficult for me to imagine that men of the same unit didn't took off from the same place, in the same serial and jumped on the same DZ.
    Are you sure that this guy was not Chalk #42 but in serial #14?
    Can you give us the name of the trooper?
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 05:47:13 (permalink)
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    Mark
    I saw, on another forum that your are looking for Capt. Samuel M. Gibbons.
    I think (and pretty sure) that you are on the wrong CN #42
    For the story of Capt. Gibbons on d-day you can read the following account he wrote
    http://www.6juin1944.com/biblio/index.php?id=80
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 10:04:50 (permalink)
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    Patrick, 
     
    Thanks for your messages. I have the book of Capt. Gibbons, I am working closely with him and his family at the moment. 
     
    Do you know of a way to 100% verify whether HQ 501 was dropped by serial 13 or 14? -- I got my information from the following website: http://www.dday-overlord....on_series_largages.htm -- which list HQ Co. as serial 13, not 14. (Serial 14, according the website listing dropped 1st Battalion, 501 PIR). 
     
    Very curious to get your input into this. 
     
    Best, 
     
    Mark
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 11:54:09 (permalink)
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    I think that if you use a good source about the troop carrier , you will be able to understand by yourself.
    First check the air movement table http://www.6juin1944.com/.../en_page.php?page=para
    - serial #13 was carrying the following elements :
    3rd Bn 501st Prcht Inf - Div Hq, Div Sig, et Div Arty Hq - Supply
    - serial #14 was carrying the following elements :
    501st Prcht Inf (-2nd & 3rd Bns)
    - serial #15 was carrying the following elements :
    2nd Bn 501st Prcht Inf - Co "C" 326th AB Engr Bn (-1st & 3rd Plats) - Det 326th AB Med Co - Supply
     
    For serial #13 it's not Regiment Hq which was carried but Division Hq : General Taylor was in lead plane piloted by McNees
    For serial #14 it's the 501st PIR which is carried LESS 2nd and 3rd Bn.. It means that the first battalion was carried but also Regiment Hq. I told you in a precedent message that Col. Johson was in lead plane of serial #14
     
    If you want you can confirm by checking the field order for the 101st A/B Div http://www.6juin1944.com/....php?page=ann2_fo1_101
    note : on this field order, the serials are those of the division not those of the troop carrier command. You must add the 6 serials of pathfinders to obtain the same number for a serial. Note also that the F.O. is dated 18 May and that you have a DZ 'B' which will be amended on 27 May in 1.d  http://www.6juin1944.com/....php?page=ann2_fo1_101
     
    And, at the end, if you check the map of the drop pattern for the 501st PIR, you will see that the location of the landing for stick #42 (from serial #14) match perfectly with the route followed by Gibbons and his group on the early hours of D-day.
     
    I think that I don't have more things to add
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 12:08:58 (permalink)
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    Ooopps.. One more thing : my conclusion:
    Samuel M. Gibbons jumped from a plane of the 442nd TCG - 304th TCS (attached to the 441st TCG for mission albany)
    CN #42 in serial #14 - AC #42-92470
    P : 2nd Lt. Kimsey, Dee R.
    CP : 2nd Lt. Bailey, Hale W.
    RO : Sgt. McCornick, Robert J.
    CC : T/Sgt. Tamuty, Victor W.
    post edited by patelie - 2012/08/08 12:31:49
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    Re:435th T.C.G. - Plane #42 (Serial: 42-24105) 2012/08/08 14:16:54 (permalink)
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    Patrick, you are the best! -- BIG thank you, I am glad you were able to correct me on this. 
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