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2010/09/30 17:42:17 (permalink)
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-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings-

If anyone can provide me with any information
regarding assigned squadron colors for the 69th,
70th, 75th and 390th Bomb Squadrons, I will be
most appreciative.
 
Many thanks.
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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2010/09/30 20:04:47 (permalink)
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Bob,
Are you referring to the 42nd BG during WWII?  At that time it was a Medium (M) group, flying at first B-26s and mainly B-25s.  I am not aware of any squadron colors, or any squadron markings that I know of, for their aircraft during WWII.  No photos that I've seen (and there are not a great many) suggest squadron markings.
 
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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2010/09/30 20:20:52 (permalink)
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The 42nd BG (M) was known as the Crusaders. I have seen some tail markings on some photos that were probably publicity photos. I don' think I have ever seen the Crusaders tail marking on operational aircraft of the squadrons you have mentioned. Maybe some nose art and the squadron patches (like my avatar).  The  Air Apaches of the 5th AF had some distinctive markings on their B-25's.
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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2010/09/30 20:27:31 (permalink)
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FYI: Lawrence Hickey's book "Warpath across the Pacific" has some great photos of B-25's with distinct tactical markings of some of the 345th BG. As the history books show, the 5th AF gets most of the credit for the Pacific campaigns as it was McArthur's airforce.  The 13th AF, assigned to Nimitz is rarely mentioned and yet is widely acknowledged for the final destruction of the Jap stronghold at Rabual.
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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2010/10/01 08:49:48 (permalink)
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I should add to my post that the closest I've seen for squadron "markings" for the 42nd BG(M) during WWII is with the 100th BS, which was attached to the bomb group starting in early 1944 as an intact National Guard unit, the 106th BS from Alabama, that was Federalized and renumbered as the 100th.  Some of their early planes that they started flying with appear to have been similarly marked by having the ring around the cowling painted.  But that wasn't carried forward into their later planes, first with the B-25H types they received in mid-1944 or the later J types in later 1944 and throughout 1945.
 
And I agree with Bob that even the Crusaders shield (my avatar) was not consistently used even as a bomb group tail marking.  Or if so, seems to be primarily a late war marking.
 
Finally, ditto to Bob's statement that the units of the 13th AF were a largely under-credited air force for their contributions to the war effort. 
 
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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2011/09/10 15:41:00 (permalink)
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Here are some photos I have gathered from various sources, regarding markings
1. 69th Bomb Squadron Original Symbol
2. 42nd Crest
3. Cross of Lorainne on B-25 at March Field Museum (Current-Day)

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Re:-42dBG(H) Tactical Markings- 2011/09/10 15:51:13 (permalink)
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1. One titled "new insignia", with markings as well. 
I also wanted to include this bit from the 42nd yearbook, entitled "The Strafer".  It's a really great read if you have a minute, sorry for the huge post...
 
“THE STRAFER” –As Read in the Crusader Yearbook
 
And it came to pass in those days that an edict
came down from the seat of the brass that many
men would be called out into the dawn to pour
death and destruction upon their enemies from a
low altitude.
 
And-the men went forth among themselves and
bolstered up their courage by saying, "Am I listed
among those who go?" And "Holy Smoke!" and
divers other phrases. For there were those among them who Iiketh it not to get below half a score
of thousands of feet when over the territory of the
Rising Sun.
 
There were men there also who had flown the
allotted two score and ten missions, and these were
cheerful and passing gay, saying one among another,
"Thou shouldest have been with me over
Vunakanau and one, a burly Boer known as He
of the Soft Voice, spake as follows, "Have no fear of
minimum altitude. For where ye go, I shall be with
thee-from the Tower."
 
It came to pass that before the sun was risen the
C.Q. went forth from his place of watch to the
abode of the birdmen and roused them, each in
his turn, saying, "'Tis the fourth hour and the briefing
comes before the dawn." And he retreated in
haste for he was wise in the ways of the birdmen.
And the birdmen cursed him in a loud voice for his
tidings were not joyful.
 
For the strike cometh they knew and only the
beavers were glad. And the beavers were few and
grew less eager at the fourth hour of each day. There
was much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth
and great unhappiness in that place. But a fear
for their commissions was in them. And they went
forth.
 
And as they went forth there cometh up to them
he of the great intellect who was known as the Intelligence Officer. He was known by other names
also.
 
And one of the birdmen said unto him, "What has
thou done unto us? Wherefore beguileth thou us?"
And the 1.0. sayeth unto him, "Thus is it done in
our country." And he hold in his hands ribbons of
many colors and spake thus: "Fulfill us this day
and a score of other days and we will give thee this
for the service which thou shall render another
seven years."
 
 
And one of the birdmen sayeth to another: "What
manner of poppycock is this that he speaketh? Knoweth he not of the law of averages?" And the other said, "Verily. Amen."
 
For they were nervous in the service that day
and the pouches of their eyes gave witness. And
they went unto the Holy of Holies called the Briefing
Room. And each as he entered looketh upon the
handwriting upon the wall. And each as he looketh
sayeth unto another, "Say unto me that it is not so."
But one cometh among them known as Elliott who
sayeth, "Yea, it is so. Best we calleth the roIL"
And there was quiet in the tomb of the prophets.
And he who was called Elliott spake with a tongue
of sounding brass. He spake of headings and formations and of times and of D for Ditching and Dumbo and Dinghy.
 
And they looketh at him with heads of ivory and
comprehendeth him not.
 
And there came another who was called Trone and
he spake of restrictions, and of communications and
of the fire known as the AA.
 
And they looketh at him with heads of wood and
comprehendeth him not.
 
But he is wise in their ways and full of understanding
of them all. He pointeth to a map and to a
photograph and spake: "Behold, I speak not with
a tongue of two tails. I telleth thee not that there
are only two guns that can bear on thee going in,
and two going out. Lo, I telleth thee that men will
throw much lead at thee. Be sure that thou ziggest
not when thou should zag. Many there are of the
enemy who wouldst do thee harm. They come with
forked lightning, and with bombs of phosphorous
and hammers of the 20 millimeter. Yea and verily,
pulleth not up thy nose, for the Lord turneth his
face away from him who giveth the enemy no-deflection shots."
 
Then did the Elliott send forth to know of the
men of the Lightnings. "Forsooth," sayeth he, "mayhap the 8 and 30's will be welcome ere the sun
setteth." And there were those among them who
waggled their heads and said, "It is so."
 
 And it came to pass whereof he spoke.
And thus they goeth in their chariots to the dispersals.
But first some goeth to the small house in panic.
And many goeth behind a tree.
And some there are who are called lead and some
are called wing and the lead goeth to share his
coffee with the wing saying, "The Lord watch be- tween thee and me when we are absent one from
the other, or when thee gettest too close to my tail."
Then each of the birdmen went forth to his bird,
counting each part with great care.
 
But at the hour of pushing of the throttles one
of the winged monsters thundereth not. And the
birdmen there beateth it with their hands and
kicketh it with their feet. But it availeth them
naught. In vain the pilot calleth forth his way with
the bird, but it lacked revs and putteth not out
forty and four inches. Woe betide him who attempteth to take off without revs and inches; for his
children and children's children will curse him, and
he will curse himself. But they springeth to the back
of another bird and take off.
 
And it came to pass that they went upon their
journey and peeleth off into formation above the
tree tops, and the area that was called target was
before them and their enemies heaped upon them
fire and brimstone and there were some whose hands
were damp, and some whose faces were damp, and
some whose pants were damp.
 
There were many who bent the throttles. And there were some. who goeth off from the formation and were called on Channel A. The leader asketh them "Whither goest thou?" and they replied "I go to fly for myself for the heat in that path is passing great." And the leader curseth them and telleth them to come back to the formation. But they have turned to Channel B and hear him not. And all goeth home by diverse routes to his roost and his ounce and a half of the drip of the corn.
 
When again they gather in the Holy of Holies,
the leader calleth out upon the wanderers and
cheweth mightily upon their posteriors and telleth
them of a bad show. But though he giveth them
Hell in general they are happy to be back upon the
ground and make haste to enter their sacks until
the call of chow.

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