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42-7477 "Whiskers" or "The Drip" ?
After being a member of this forum for about a week, I find it addictive, so I decided to start a little research project of my own, to get my feet wet.......... On a Dutch Navy forum, of which I am an admin, I found a post about the Royal Netherlands Navy researching an aircraft wreck site, which was discovered by recreational divers in August of 2007. This buoy acts as a marker for the wrecksite, in the background the HNLMS Hydra, acting as the base of operations during their search just of the coast of Domburg, The Netherlands. [attach=http://forum.armyairforces.com/download.axd?file=1;183250&where=&f=© www.defensie]  © www.defensie[/attach] Part of the main landing gear being retrieved from the water. [attach=http://forum.armyairforces.com/download.axd?file=2;183250&where=&f=© www.defensie]  © www.defensie[/attach] 50 cal ammo (all pictures © Defensie.nl ) The quoted articles didn't mention any starting points like aircraft serial, BG # etc., so it sounded like the perfect challenge for a beginner. It didn't take long before my browsing was rewarded with a hit on the site B24bestweb, showing the following: 7477 (392nd BG, 579th BS, "Whiskers") shot down by marine flak and crashed into North Sea W of Domburg, Netherlands
Now that I had a serial, BG # and name, I found B24.net, home of the 392nd BG, in no time, but there the aircraft with serial 42-7477 is listed as "The Drip". They have "Whiskers" as the 42-7481. The related MACR 1165 on b24.net says: AIRCRAFT: #42-7477 "THE DRIP" "K-Bar" 2nd Mission What does "K-Bar" mean in the previous sentence? Was it yet another name she was known by? Thanks
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Pim "K-BAR" (K-) is the "Radio Call Letter" (RCL). My listings (no PICs yet) for... DRIP, The B - 24 H - 1 - FO 42-7477 8 392 579 GC K- WHISKERS B - 24 H - 1 - FO 42-7481 8 392 579 GC J-
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Daniel, Thanks for clarifying the K-BAR RCL issue. Do you have a link to your site showing the listings you mention? Thanks
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Pim I only include listings on the BBW site when I get a PIC. (Reduces errors!) Dan
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I only include listings on the BBW site when I get a PIC. (Reduces errors!) Aye Aye, smart move Thanks
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The Drip's MACR (01165) as posted on B24.net lists the faith of the crew as follows: P l/LT D’Aoust, Wallace W. KIA CP 2/LT Marshall, James W. KIA N 2/LT Winzenburg, George T. KIA B 2/LT Etheridge, Mart T. KIA R T/S Dahlen, Russell E. KIA E T/S Anderson, Thomas (NMI)POW AE S/S O’Neill, Christ D. KIA NG S/S Jereb, John F. POW WG S/S Sutton, Ralph H. POW TG SGT Blanc, Alex D. POW I have some questions someone will be able to answer I am sure: 1) T/Sgt's Thomas Anderson's name is followed by the abbreviation NMI. I looked in this topic but didn't see it listed there. 2) The MACR goes on to say specifically: S/Sgt O'Neill, 2/LT Marshall and 2/LT Winzenburg are buried at the Ardennes American Cemetary. T/Sgt Anderson, S/Sgt John Jereb, S/Sgt Ralph Sutton and Sgt Alex Blanc became POW's. 1/LT D'Aoust and 2/LT Etheridge appear on the wall of the missing at the Netherlands American Cemetary, who therefore most likely went down with the plane. As JPAC was involved in this operation, can I assume that in due time we would be able to find out if any remains were discovered? That leaves T/Sgt Russel Dahlen. Although listed as KIA there is no further mention of him as to where he might be buried etc. A search at the American Battle Monuments Commission's website also draws a blank. Any suggestions as to where I could take the search from here on would be very much appreciated.
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NMI = No Middle Initial. This fooled me too, for a long time. Francis
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Thanks Francis, Why didn't I think of that..... Haven't gotten any further with T/Sgt Russel Dahlen, besides finding his record on the NARA site, and finding out he was from the Boston MA area. Pim
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My grandfather is SSGT Sutton... My mom and I have been looking into some of his military history and she found this site.. I have located Grandad's POW records and mom has copies of his DD214.... I also stumbled upon some photos of "The Drip." The fact that his A/C may have been recovered is just amazing... I'm fairly new at identifing lost A/C so if there is any specific knowledge that would help let me know.. Also, fwiw, SSGT Sutton returned to the US on the Gripsholm in 45... He passed away in 1986 and in buried in Mitchell County, KS, near his home.
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Hi Bill, Good to hear from you, and thanks for the info! The aircraft being recovered in this topic with Serial # 42-7477 is called "The Drip" on which S/Sgt Ralph Sutton was a waistgunner. Then, their was the B24D with serial# 42-41105, called "Drip". On this site I found a picture of Drip. Her nose art matches the pictures you found, but this is a different aircraft altogether, which served with the 5th AirForce, 90th Bomb Group, 321st Bomb Squadron. Although....on another website I saw that serial listed as "The Lemon"....
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Bill, Here a picture from http://www.b24.net/, with your grandfather on the bottom right. Pim
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thepimster Hi Bill, Good to hear from you, and thanks for the info! The aircraft being recovered in this topic with Serial # 42-7477 is called "The Drip" on which S/Sgt Ralph Sutton was a waistgunner. Then, their was the B24D with serial# 42-41105, called "Drip". On this site I found a picture of Drip. Her nose art matches the pictures you found, but this is a different aircraft altogether, which served with the 5th AirForce, 90th Bomb Group, 321st Bomb Squadron. Although....on another website I saw that serial listed as "The Lemon".... Amazing the things you learn on the internet ;) Sorry about that, the images I was looking at made it hard for me to tell AC type... Thanks for the clarification.. Looking forward to seeing how this progresses!
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Hello all, My particular focus is in research concerning evasion in NW Europe during WWII and the German counter-security forces operating against them. I surfed on to this thread while seaching for the name Alex D. Blanc of the above crew. Am posting this message in the hope one of you may be able to lead me to learn more about the fate of Alex and in particular, how he, where and when he was captured and perhaps who some of his early helpers were who were involved in his fate. What is of special interest in the case of Alex D. Blanc's capture is that he should have evaded but for extra-ordinary reasons! At the time, he was actually being helped by a 'false Brussels escape' line run by the the Abwehr III/f. They were planing on exfiltrate him - and a fellow would-be evader by the name of Roy Walker - for reasons of their own. I have this evidence (and an evasion snap shot of both men and their false helper) from documents obtained from British archives. Would post a samples of these if I knew how to do so on this forum. If anyone can offer any further feedback it would be much appreciated. Regards, Michael Moores LeBlanc
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George Winzenburg was my great great uncle. My grandfather has been doing alot of research on the drip, and has tought me some about it and now I would like to do some investigating. I was told that George was killed before they hit the north sea by an anti aircraft explosion. I was also told that they were hit and sent down by an ace German fighter who was also shot down by the drip before they went down. This coming after they were attacked by ground crews. The german fighter pilot managed to survive the crash and led a political and good life until 1993 when he died. I am not sure if anybody else was killed by the anti aircraft explosions, but I know one died which was George Winzenburg.
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Pim, According to website findagrave.com Russell E. Dahlsen is buried at Melrose Cemetery, Brockton, MA. Another helpful website to find where veterans are buried is gravelocator.cem.va.gov Groet, Leendert
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Pim, A few years ago we receive a proppelor of a bomber who was crashed near Domburg,Province of Zeeland,Holland.I know a lot AAF aircraft crashed near Flussing and the Zeeland Islands,but its possible that its of this aircraft. We try to place it at the memorialsite of the Sloedam . Send me a mail and I send you the photo : beervanvermeer@kpnmail.nl Jaap
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Michael Wrote: They were planing on exfiltrate him - and a fellow would-be evader by the name of Roy Walker - for reasons of their own. I have this evidence (and an evasion snap shot of both men and their false helper) from documents obtained from British archives. Would post a samples of these if I knew how to do so on this forum. That would be very interesting. You can post your attachments by clicking on the paperclip in the toolbar: Unfortunately, other than that I can not help you Thanks for your input.
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Huskerfan3131 George Winzenburg was my great great uncle. My grandfather has been doing alot of research on the drip, and has tought me some about it and now I would like to do some investigating. I was told that George was killed before they hit the north sea by an anti aircraft explosion. I was also told that they were hit and sent down by an ace German fighter who was also shot down by the drip before they went down. This coming after they were attacked by ground crews. The german fighter pilot managed to survive the crash and led a political and good life until 1993 when he died. I am not sure if anybody else was killed by the anti aircraft explosions, but I know one died which was George Winzenburg. The Drip's MACR states: .......Sgt Anderson's reply was very similar........Anderson later told his wife that one of the crew was killed when the plane was hit. Another was injured but they could not get to him because of his location in the plane and lack of time. S/Sgt Jereb was severely injured..................... Was Sgt Anderson talking about your great great uncle? It could very well be.
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Leendert Pim, According to website findagrave.com Russell E. Dahlsen is buried at Melrose Cemetery, Brockton, MA. Another helpful website to find where veterans are buried is gravelocator.cem.va.gov Groet, Leendert Hi Leendert, Thanks for the link! From the description it sounds like it's got to be the same Russel E. Dahlen. The site lists a contact, his nephew, who I'll try to contact. Keep you posted. Bedankt.
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airwar Pim, A few years ago we receive a proppelor of a bomber who was crashed near Domburg,Province of Zeeland,Holland.I know a lot AAF aircraft crashed near Flussing and the Zeeland Islands,but its possible that its of this aircraft. We try to place it at the memorialsite of the Sloedam . Send me a mail and I send you the photo : beervanvermeer@kpnmail.nl Jaap Ahoy Jaap, Thanks for your post, I enjoyed your Groene Groep site, especially the Harley Davidson WLA. I will email you separately, because I would love to see the picture. If the propellor were from The Drip, wouldn't it be obvious it had been under water for over half a century? Regards
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