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2013/01/18 12:34:31 (permalink)
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42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France

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I need you help as despite all my efforts, I cannot find the report accident of this crash. I managed to find following important infos but no MACRs (probably because the crew and passengers are not mentioned as KIA). The casualties is very high : 24 victims, one survivor.
date : Nov 1, 1944
aircraft : Douglas C-53D 42-68822
serial number : 11749, built in 1943
damaged beyond repair
crash location : Cambrai-Niergnies (France) during landing (A74)
aircraft fliped over and burned after landing.
crew : unknown except (if correct) Pilot : John L SLAUGHTER (or Slaugther)
his unit : 9th. Air Force , 1st ATG, 315 ATS (air reserve technician ?) or
home base : Creil (France) A81 or A60 ?
one of the passengers could be T.Sgt. WHITE Robert L. IN.
 
Looking for info about the circumstances of the crash, names of the crew, and all that you can tell about it.
Any help/link would be very much appreciated and I thank you in advance.
 
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 12:49:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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You will probably need to order the accident report.  Here is some basic info from the aviationarchaeology.com   website.   You can order the full report from the site.
Date:  1 Nov 44.  
Plane:  C-53D,   42-68822
Sqn:  315 ATS       Group:  1 ATG
Home Base: A81      9th AF
Code:   KLAC   (Killed Landing Accident)
Category: 5
Pilot:   Slaughter, John L   Location:  France, Cambri/A74
From the airforcehistoryindex.org site you can get a list of people involved.  Typically the first few names would be the crew and the rest passengers but I don't know where the "break" is.
 
 (45-11-1-506)*SLAUGHTER, JOHN L.; LANNING, CECIL S.; TINACEI, LOUIS L.; MADISON, JAMES C.; BICKLEY, JOHN W.; EISMAN, LOUIS I.; EVANS, HENRY K.; WHITE, ROBERT L.; BROWNING, ROY D.; GILBERT, GRADY A.; SICK, RICHARD L.; CAIN, THOMAS G.; SIMON, MAX; FALLERT, FRANKLIN, A. J.; JORDAN, ROBERT W. JR; ESTES, JAKIE E.; MCCARTHY, PATRICK F.; PHELPS, LAWRENCE E.; WEEKLEY, ELVER E.; WRIGHT, WILBUR H..; HULL, WALLACE F.; O'FARRELL, EDWARD C.; PICCININNI, PHILIP; REMSBURG, MARSHALL L.; PERRY, ARTHUR A.
 
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 13:04:27 (permalink)
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thank you very much. How nice, this will allow me to go on with my research about Bob White.
 
 
Now, I am curious to know how a plane of this size and weight can "flip over". 
Who has an answer ?
 
This AAF forum has teached me a lot, everything is interesting ! Thank you to all of you for the efforts and help.
 
Danièle
 
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 13:20:53 (permalink)
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and just in case s.o. else would like to know, here are the 8 names of victims (non crew members)
CAIN  / HULL /  O FARREL /   BICKLEY /   MC CARTHY  /   SICK  /   GILBERT and WHITE.
 
the crew of this type of plance C53D = how much people pls ?
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 13:20:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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I managed to find following important infos but no MACRs (probably because the crew and passengers are not mentioned as KIA) 
The reason you did not find a MACR is not related to KIA status, it is because the accident took place in an area under Allied control. 
A MACR was only issued for losses behind enemy lines.

the crew of this type of plance C53D = how much people pls ?  
Normal crew for a C-53 was four.  In addition there was seating for 27 passengers.
 
Now, I am curious to know how a plane of this size and weight can "flip over".
This is an uneducated guess, I am not a pilot.  The C-53 was a tailwheel aircraft.  A landing on the main wheels only could be somewhat unstable until the tail came down and the tailwheel touched the runway.  If the brakes locked or were applied strongly before the tail came down the forward momentum might be enough to drop the nose to the ground and cause an end over flip.  This is just my SWAG guess, I'm certain someone here with tailwheel experience can provide a better answer.
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 13:56:20 (permalink)
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Point taken for "MACRs", and you have helped me a lot.
 
Thanks again,
 
Bye bye.
 
Danièle
 
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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/18 15:03:50 (permalink)
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Now, I am curious to know how a plane of this size and weight can "flip over". 
Who has an answer ?


Danièle


 
One potentional cause would be incorrect usage of the brakes on the main landing gear. 
 
It is a hazard for most airplanes with conventional landing gear. 


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Re:42-68822 Douglas C-53D Skytroop Nov 1, 1944 - France 2013/01/19 05:19:37 (permalink)
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thanks Antony, it is well what I had in mind.
I saw this once, ... with a man on a motorbike. Did push too hard on the brake and the engine went upside - down, and stayed that way !
 
have a nice day.
 
Danièle 
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