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42-31389 Lucious Lucy

I'm the son of Joseph A Howell researching his service.
I just learned he was in this crew.
Any info or pictures would be greatly apprieciated.
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/07 09:32:34 (permalink)
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I had to look up this aircraft serial number in Joe Baugher's listing in order to find the Bomb Group.
I transferred your posting to the 100th BG Forum.
 
The 100th BG Association is listed in this forum....a suggestion, contact them for any additional information.

Please click on the 100th BG at the RIGHT of the heading  at the top of this forum where is says 100th Bomb Group-Thorpe Abbott, to access the 100th BG Association.
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/07 09:35:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Hello Robert,
 
Your father's crew joined the 100th BG on 1 Dec 1943.  On that date, the crew included:
 
2nd LT Lucious G. Lacy - pilot
2nd LT Thomas R. Leslie - co-pilot
2nd LT Albert Franklin - navigator
(rank unknown) Frank C. Gregory - bombardier
Sgt Clarence H. Wood, Jr - radio operator/gunner
Sgt Chester J. Carknard - flight engineer
Sgt Raymond J. Mitchell - ball turret gunner
Sgt William L. Reneau - waist gunner
Sgt Herman H. Hilburn - waist gunner
Sgt Joseph A. Howell - tail gunner
 
You can find more information by following this link to the 100th BG's web page:
 
http://www.100thbg.com/mainpages/crews/crews4/lacy.htm
 
Your dad was lucky that he wasn't flying with LT Lacy on 28 May 1944 as B-17 42-31389 was shot down on the mission to Madgeburg.  Three of the crew were KIA and 7 taken POW.
 
Good luck on your search.
 

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son of 1st LT Donald J. Schmitt, USAAF, co-pilot
assigned to 493rd BG/863rd BS at Debach, England
from Nov 1944 thru May 1945
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/07 17:18:27 (permalink)
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Thank you both for posting it in the correct forum and your response.
I only learned of this information yesterday, for Dad never spoke of it.
I now believe I know why.
Someone took his place and died because of it.
Knowing my Dad as I do, I understand why he never spoke of 'any' of his time in service.
I'm certain this weighed heavily on his heart.
 
I will chase this further, for I now find a heavy burden on my heart to learn the name and what happened to this gentleman.
djschmitt

Hello Robert,

Your father's crew joined the 100th BG on 1 Dec 1943.  On that date, the crew included:

2nd LT Lucious G. Lacy - pilot
2nd LT Thomas R. Leslie - co-pilot
2nd LT Albert Franklin - navigator
(rank unknown) Frank C. Gregory - bombardier
Sgt Clarence H. Wood, Jr - radio operator/gunner
Sgt Chester J. Carknard - flight engineer
Sgt Raymond J. Mitchell - ball turret gunner
Sgt William L. Reneau - waist gunner
Sgt Herman H. Hilburn - waist gunner
Sgt Joseph A. Howell - tail gunner

You can find more information by following this link to the 100th BG's web page:

http://www.100thbg.com/mainpages/crews/crews4/lacy.htm

Your dad was lucky that he wasn't flying with LT Lacy on 28 May 1944 as B-17 42-31389 was shot down on the mission to Madgeburg.  Three of the crew were KIA and 7 taken POW.

Good luck on your search.



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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/07 17:47:00 (permalink)
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I am a bit confused after checking the 100th site.
The crew that went down on 28 May 1944 is so different from the original crew...
I believe I'm looking at 4 crewmen that were replaced for this mission.
Was it normal for such a crew change?
 
Another is; is it possible for the Luscious Lady to be flying again (another plane named the same?) to fly 4 Sept 1944 to Posen?
 
By this, I believe, S/Sgt Michail Rotz took his place.
Any information known about him would be greatly apprieciated.
 
 
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/07 18:24:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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There were many instances of aircraft with the same name..example : there were nineteen aircraft with the name Hells Bells or Helles Bell, and a couple of times the aircraft was assigned to different bomb groups due to battle damage repair, and then assigned to another bomb group after repair.

This is one reason why the only actual correct bomb group, and the actual accurate nose art/name can be only determined by the data information under, or near the left piltot's cockpit sliding window, or a tail number is viible in a nose art/name photo.
 
Many nose art/names photos are taken of the RIGHT side of the aircraft, while the data information is on the LEFT side.
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/08 13:28:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Old Dawg ,
Excellent Book on the Mission:
Mission 376: Battle Over the Reich , 28 May 1944
by Ivo de Jong
Photo of your Father on Page 111
Photo of " Lucious Lucy " Page 110
Cheers,
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/08 14:09:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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There could be many reasons why crew members would be substituted on a mission.  Illness for one.  Leave for another.  Other duties assigned as a third.  It is a Hollywood-fabricated misnomer to believe that a crew stayed together for every flight or always flew the same plane, or that all airplanes had names.
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/09 06:51:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Hi Robert,
RE: The 100th Bomb Group (H)  
We are all in Cleveland currently for the 100th Bomb Group Foundation reunion until sunday, 9/11/11
 
I'll check with Mike Faley to see if he has access to his database here this morning and  he or I will get back to you regardless with anymore info your seeking.
 
Best Regards,
Jack 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/12 15:43:29 (permalink)
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I wish to thank 'all' for the responses I have received!
 
This has been a very exciting week!
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/13 21:52:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Lets see if we can help you here.
 
CREW
2ND LT LUCIUS G. LACY                P POW  28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA  (Retired as LT COL from Air Force)
2ND LT THOMAS R. LESLIE           CP KIA   6 MAR 44 BERLIN (WITH G.BRANNAN CREW)
2ND LT ALBERT FRANKLIN          NAV CPT  24 JUL 44 ST LO GROUND SUPPORT
2ND LT FRANK C. GREGORY        BOM CPT  13 JUL 44 MUNICH
    SGT CLARENCE H. WOOD, JR.   ROG POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA
    SGT CHESTER J. CARKNARD      TTE KIA   11 APR 44 ROSTOCK (ME 109 killed)
    SGT RAYMOND J. MITCHELL      BTG POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA (on 24th Mission)
    SGT WILLIAM L. RENEAU         WG CPT  5 JUN 44 FALAISE (moved to Lt Massol Crew as LWG)
    SGT HERMAN H. HILBURN        WG RFS   MEDICIAL REASONS AFTER SEVEN MISSIONS
    SGT JOSEPH A. HOWELL          TG NOC
 
351st Sqdn.. Crew, as above, joined the 100th on 1 Dec 1943.  
Crew was nicknamed "Lacy's Lushes" (given to crew by Ray Mitchell)
When Sgt Hilburn was RFS after 7 missions, S/Sgt Raymond Mitchell moved to LWG.  By March 1944 S/Sgt Reneau had moved to Lt Massol's Crew as WG and was replaced on the  S/Sgt Joe Folsom had taken over the RWG position.  The BTG position was manned by several different crewman, S/Sgt L. Black, S/Sgt Chester Powell, S/Sgt J.M. Roberts, & S/Sgt C.L. Morrow from the 350th BS. T/Sgt Sidney A. Cary took over the TTE postion when T/Sgt Carknard was KIA on 11 Apr 44.  S/Sgt Joseph A Howell served as TG on this crew until 15 Mar 44 Brunswick Mission then is replaced by S/Sgt Michael Rotz from Capt T.E. Murphy Crew.
 
On Dec 29, 1943 Capt Jack Swartout took Lt Lacy on a "check flight" in Holy Terror II 42-21062 EP-D and immediately  upon landing on runway 22  the plane swerved to the left caused by the left brake dragging badly. The aircraft went off the runway and nosed over then dropped back driving the tail wheel into the fuselage.  We do not have a full list of missions this crew flew but here are some we are sure of…mpf.
 
DATE:         TARGET                   AIRCRAFT
03/03/44   BERLIN                      42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
04/03/44   BERLIN                      42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
06/03/44   BERLIN                      42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
15/03/44   BRUNSWICK               42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
16/03/44   AUGSBURG                42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
18/03/44   MUNICH                    42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY               
01/04/44   LUDWIGSHAVEN        42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
09/04/44   POSEN  (RECALL)       42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
10/04/44   RHEIMS                     42-31412 EP-G  MASON AND DIXON
11/04/44   ROSTOCK                  42-39867 EP-E  BOEING BELLE

The crew composition that flew the 28 May 44 Madgeburg mission was vastly different from the above roster; below is the crew as of 7 May 44 mission to Berlin thru the 28 May 44 mission to Madgeburg. 
 
CREW
1ST LT LUCIUS G. LACY               P POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA
2ND LT CLAUDE E. SCHINDLER      CP KIA   28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE R.V.E. MONRAD CREW
2ND LT RAYMOND E. ROSSMAN  NAV POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE C.W WOLDT CREW
2ND LT HERBERT GREENBERG    BOM POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE R.H.HELMICK CREW
T/SGT CLARENCE H. WOOD       ROG POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA
T/SGT SIDNEY A. CARY             TTE POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE R.V.E. MONRAD CREW
S/SGT CHESTER L. POWELL     BTG KIA    28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE M.T.RISH CREW
S/SGT JOE S.  FOLSOM             RWG KIA   28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA
S/SGT RAYMOND J. MITCHELL   LWG POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA
S/SGT MICHAEL ROTZ               TG POW 28 MAY 44 MAGDEBURG & GERA FROM THE T. MURPHY CREW (PICCADILLY  LILY)
 
EYEWITNESS: "A/C #389 was shot down over the target area at 1405 hours by
              E/A. #4 engine was seen smoking and cockpit was afire.Three
              chutes were seen "
 
According to Lt.Lacy's statements in MACR, . . . "the electrical system was out,
ship out of control,cables shot away,spun immediately. " . . . . " I fastened my
chute on in air. Seven crew members got out before wings came off."
 
From statements of Lt.Greenberg in MACR:
"The attack that knocked us out came from High at about 1:00 o'clock. All hits
seemed to concentrate on the starboard side. I would say Lt.Schindler was hit
and killed in the cockpit.He never made a move to get out despite the fact we
were burning fiercely. Our engineer maintains that the last he saw of Schindler
was while the cockpit was burning. Lt Schindler appeared to be slumped in his
seat.His left arm hanging straight down and making no move." Lt.Schindler
was operational from December 1943 til his death. He flew the "Roughest" ones
and was the coolest,calmest co-pilot that ever flew combat."
Sgt.Mitchell last saw Sgt.Folsom lying against the right bulkhead.His head and
face bloody and he made no attempt to leave the ship and was evidently dead.
Sgt.Powell is believed to have been killed in his turret by the fighter pass
that apparently killed Schindler and Folsom.
German report in MACR iB to the effect that  at the crash site 3 dead were found.
Bodies burnt,names unidentifiable.
It appears that this crew had flown about 20/22 missions.
 
1st Lt Lucius Lacy ended up in Stalag Luft III until the end of the War.
DATE            TARGET                     AIRCRAFT
07/05/44       BERLIN                     42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
08/05/44       BERLIN                     42-31412  EP-G MASON AND DIXON
11/05/44       LIEGE                       42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
12/05/44       BRUX,CZECH              42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY 
19/05/44       BERLIN                     42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY 
24/05/44       BERLIN                     42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
28/05/44       MAGDEBURG             42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY

Raymond Mitchell remembrances:  28 May 44: I was standing right next to Joe Folsom when he was hit by 20mm from a German Fighter. He was gone before he hit the floor. We were on our 24th mission.  Our Tail Gunner Sgt Rotz wore a back parachute and unbeknown to him, it had been hit by fragments from a 20mm shell.  When he bailed out, he seem to decend a little bit faster than others because the 20mm had blown holes in his parachute. When he hit the ground he broke his hip and I thought we would never see him again.  Luckily he was picked up by Luftwaffe personnel vs regular german army or home guard, otherwise he may have been shot due to the nature of his condition. Months later he arrived at the POW camp and I was so surprised to see him.  I landed close to Ray Cary and we stayed together and tried to evade but were eventually captured.
 
Lacy is still alive if you email me I will give it too you.  Very reluctant to talk about the war but a family member may be different.  email me at MPFaley@aol.com    Next,  your Dad flew quite a few missions with this Crew but after March 15th, we do not show him flying another mission?  Do you know why?   The crew was not done flying 30 missions required at that time?   You just missed a golden opportunity, Ray Cary, son of Raymond Cary (WG) just passed away and he had a ton of material on the Lacy Crew.  What we do not have (and neither did Ray, was a Crew shot).  Do you have one you could share with us?  Is your Dad still with us?  What about a mission list?    You should pick up the book I did on the Berlin Missions called High Noon Over Haseluenne which has a lot of information on the three missions your Dad was on to Berlin in early March 1944  http://www.amazon.com/High-Noon-over-Haseluenne-Bombardment/dp/0764332376/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1315964821&sr=8-4 
 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/13 22:01:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Plane lost on May 28, 1944 was called Luscious Lucy not Luscious Lady.
 
   231389           351 EP  J
   Luscious Lucy                                 Lacy's Lushes
  Notes On This Aircraft: 
  Aircraft names: Lucious Lucy, Lacy's Lushes (nickname for crew)
  Aircraft History 
  25-Oct-43    Accepted into inventory
  28-Oct-43    Cheyenne
  13-Nov-43   Grand Island
  26-Nov-43   Wilmington
  30-Nov-43   Assigned to UK
  11-Apr-44    RFO - Lt. Lucius G. Lacy - 1 KIA
  28-May-44   FTR - Fighters - Barleben, Germany
  Final Disposition 
  28-May-44   FTR - Fighters - Barleben, Germany
  Pilot:   LT LUCIUS G LACY                                                                 MACR:   05382
  Crew: 3 KIA, 7 POW
 
  Related Information:
  N/A
  BOMB - aircraft struck by a bomb                                     MID - Mid-air collision
  DOW - Dow Field, Bangor, Maine                                     NCS - Non-combat sortie
  E and E - Escape and Evasion report                                 POW - Prisoner of war
  number                                                                   RE? - Returned early, reason unknown
  EVD - Evaded capture or escape                                    
  FTO - Failed to take off                                                 REM - Returned early, mechanical
  FTR - Failed to return                                                   reasons
  FTR LOC - Failed to return, ontinent                                  REO - Returned early, other than
  FTR MID - Failed to return, mid-air collision                          mechanical
  FTR OW - Failed to return, over water                                REP - Repatriated
  INT - Interned                                                            RES - Returned early, scheduled spare
  KIA - Killed in action                                                    
  KIS - Killed in service, non combat                                 RFO - Returned from sortie
  LAG - Luftwaffe Aerial Activity                                         RMC - Returned to Military Control
  MACR - Missing Air Crew Report number                         TOA - Take off or Assembly incident
  WIA- Wounded in action


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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/14 16:12:09 (permalink)
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Once again, thank you all for you help!
This is very appreciated!
 
20 years of prying info while Dad was still with me, 17 years of research since he passed and 2 weekends back found this little newspaper clipping that brought me to you folks!
I have learned so much and all from you!
 
This what I have to add to the data base, hope it helps.
Dad started service 1 Oct 42 (this comes from the Newspaper clipping I have)
 
Info supplied by Michael P. Faley
SGT JOSEPH A. HOWELL          TG NOC
351st Sqdn.. Crew, as above, joined the 100th on 1 Dec 1943.  
 
This leaves out 1 whole year of service.... and may be the answer to Michael's question:
The crew was not done flying 30 missions required at that time?
 
Dad married my mother, Dorothy Mulley on 12 Oct 45 and the family tale is they married 6 months after Dad returned home.
The timeline seems to be close, but only puts him in service for 1.5 years.
I have no discharge records for they seemed to have been destroyed in the 12 July 73 fire at The NARA.
 
My mother died 29 Jan 65 and became the second experience my father rarely spoke of.
On 21 Mar 94 my father passed of natural causes.
 
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From the time he enlisted in the Army in October 1942 until getting to 100th BG stationed at  Thorpe Abbotts he would have been going through army training, gunnery training, combat crew training, and finally being shipped overseas.  He may have enlisted in October of 1942 but not called up until much later?   In 1942 they were trying to get Bomb Groups/combat crews over to England to replace the 97th and 301st Bomb Groups that were shipped to the 12th Air Force to support Operation Torch.  His records would tell the whole story, for now, we have speculation.   Here is something nobody is telling you and to a degree are reluctant to bring up.  The Crew probably arrived in England in November 1943 and were at a Combat Crew Replacement Depot waiting to be assigned to to a group when losses occurred.  He was either at Stow or Bovingdon.  When assigned to 100th BG on Dec 1st, the crew would have been stood down for 10-14 days for practice missions and orientation.  First mission would have been somewhere around Dec 16 or Dec 20th 1943 when the targets were Bremen.  From that point to March 15th, 1944 (your Dad's last mission with Crew) the 100th BG flew about 40 missions total. so my feeling is that by March 15th they were closing in on 20 missions.  A tour of combat missions was raised from 25 to 30 missions right around March 19th by Doolittle. 
 
Here are the reasons a crew members does not complete missions: KIA (not applicable), POW (not applicable) MIA (not applicable), Interned in a neutral country (Not Applicable), WIA (wounded in Action, and shipped home due to the severity).  Replaced on Crew due to a disagreement and placed in spare gunners pool where you would be a fill in gunner when someone was sick (but your Dad flew no missions after March 15, 1944, not applicable), OR the one nobody is mentioning,  RFS (removed from flying status).  RFS can be due to many reasons, medical condition, stress of combat or simply asking to be taken off combat status (the Army Air Forces was a Volunteer assignment) which in that case you would be transferred off base and sent to the regular army or possibly ground crew.  Your Dad flew missions, he was no coward, so what happened to take him off flying status is the real question?  Can you give us his Date of Passing and it sounds like you have no photos of him when he was with the 100th BG? 

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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/14 19:52:30 (permalink)
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There is a story, told by my Uncle Jim, that Dad was involved with the first daylight raid over Germany.
For this I have dates ranging from 8/43 to 3/44.... Just too many sources, saying different first's....
 
He also spoke of an article, he claims was in Time Magazine that had a photo of Dad.
I've yet to find this and confirm...
Really curious why no one in the family has a copy.... then again, might have been among all the stuff Sis and I cleaned out and not realized the importance....
 
My Grandmother (Dad's mom), once told my wife (which she loved dearly) about my Dad having problems with his ears caused by his service. My Dad did having problems hearing (which he would never admit to) and we dealt with lovingly.
 
The picture of his crew is the one shown on the 100thBG site. I also have a few single photos we have now identified thanks to the sites photo. I do have another I will post soon we still can not identify (need to scan it in).
 
Since the site's group photo, date unknown, shows Dad with 3 stripes, I have to assume he entered or earned those within this group (Lacy's crew).
Also assuming he was probably a Corporal coming into action (not yet seeing a Private as a active gunner, and please correct me if wrong), he would have earned the 2 down, Staff, while with LT. Lacy.
Is it possible to have gone Corporal to S/Sgt within the timeframe the site shows his duty?
 
 
Since records of service were lost in the fire, I have not found his release papers.
Did he do the full 25/30?
I have still do not know, but the timeline shows he could have.
Was the infliction with his ears reason for release? Maybe...
 
My next research step seems to towards 'Stow or Bovingdon' and see if there are any records of him there (thank you for this clue).
 Again, I leave this with a profound 'Thank You'!


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42-31389  EP-J  LUCIOUS LUCY
42-31412 EP-G  MASON AND DIXON
42-39867 EP-E  BOEING BELLE
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/15 02:58:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Hi Robert,
In your 17 year research of your dads USAAF service did you check the following sites for possible information on Joseph?
the city of Revere,Massachusetts where he was from back then. He might have provided a copy of his DD-214 or a copy of his seperation from the service qualifications for some purpose that may be in the city archives.
Also check the Massachusetts State Archives as well. When job seeking after the war veterans provided DD-214's,were required to for Civil Service jobs,etc.
Finally check the Boston Public Library microfilm copies of the newspapers from the period. The Boston Post and other papers had reporters doing stories on local area veterans in the Eighth Air Force that would run with their photo and hometown.  
I would bet you will find your dads service record in the Mass State Archives.I found my dads there since his other service records were destroyed in the 1973 St. Louis fire.  
Good Hunting!
 
 

 
What's very interesting about this NCO Lacy crew members photo (if the ID captions are correct) is who is in it...
Seated left to right
MITCHELL  WG
CARKNARD TTE
WOOD  ROG
Standing left to right
HOWELL TG
FOLSOM  WG
HILBURN WG
3 of them listed as WG's
Mitchell is listed as BTG on the crew page
Carknard is KIA 11 April 1944
Folsum is KIA   28 May 1944
Hilburn is RFS for medical reasons after 7 missions 
  

 
Best Regards,
Jack    
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/15 16:41:52 (permalink)
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Thank you GREMLIN2.
The reason I ask folks like you is because you've been there before.
I never thought of checking those sources.... now I will.
 


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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/16 08:39:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Hi Robert,
RE: been there before, for sure!
 Been researching the 100th BG and my dads service time for 27 years since Harry Crosby told me I was out of Luck, records I was looking for were gone. Lit a fire under me to see what I could find.
Records still are MIA at the NA but other sources such as veterans collections and things brought back have helped to fill in the holes. One S-2 vet took a complete Intel file home when the base closed and sat on it,not telling anyone that his family discovered after his passing.   Amazing stuff in it including my dads crews debriefing report on a mission.
Robert if you could please scan those photos you have and copy us on them we will add them to your dads crew page on the website. Just email to me and will credit the pics courtesy of you or the family which ever you prefer. My contact info is on the 100th BG main page above.
Working on getting you another of your dads crew members who will agree to converse with you.
 
Best Regards,
Jack 
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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/16 17:50:00 (permalink)
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Had a tough time uploading photos...
I added what I could find tonight, may indeed be all I have, but will search some more, to the photo section in my profile.
I hope this helps!
Check my photo album.
I added comments of what I know of each photo.
Credit for any photos I contribute only means something, if it helps someone else, yet I would love to know if anyone does have info on them.
All credits goes to Dad!
He did the deed, not me!


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Re:42-31389 Lucious Lucy 2011/09/16 19:01:22 (permalink)
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Hi Robert,
Thanks for posting the photos if they can be ID'd by us (100th Bomb Group Foundation) we will advise who they are and where,will credit photos courtesy of your dads name.
 
I found and spoke to a crew member of Joseph's this afternoon at length for over two hours and found out some additional information on the crew and more specifically your dad from him. Please email me and I will provide you with the information (or call me if your local to the Boston area)
 
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Jack
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