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2007/09/28 14:02:32 (permalink)
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28.07.1943 B-17

hallo,

I am searching all informations about another plane:

B-17F-90-BO, 42-30179, “Murder Incorporated”, 385BG, 550BS

Are there pictures of the plane or crew or memberlist ?
 
the plane crashed down near Herford, Germany, after fighter attack.


mfg
uwe


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    493rdBG
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 14:38:31 (permalink)
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    This B-17 was piloted by 2LT Herman M. Gurgel.  Of the crew, 4 KIA and 6 POW - MACR 189A.
     
    Sorry, but that is all I have.
     
     

    David Schmitt
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    assigned to 493rd BG/863rd BS at Debach, England
    from Nov 1944 thru May 1945
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 14:40:40 (permalink)
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    I do not have my copy with me, but I know Freeman's book  " The Mighty Eighth " has a picture of one captured crewman of Murder Incorporated.  Caption says policy in naming aircraft was changed after this incident because Germans were effectively able to use the name and pics for propaganda.

    Are you sure you have the name right though ?  Jbaugher lists this A/C  as : 30179 (385th BG, 550th BS, 'Grim Reaper') lost Jul 28, 1943.  MACR 189A

    If it is Murder Incorporated you are looking for, there is a article in the Journal of the Air Force Assn. on the incident I described above at
    http://www.afa.org/magazine/1993/0993jacket.asp
     
    Also this, and article by Lt. Kenneth Daniel Williams of the 351 BG who was one of the POW's captured from Murder Inc.  It has the same picture from the Mighty Eighth book, plus a crew shot of Murder Inc
    http://www.merkki.com/murderinc.htm
     

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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 15:36:12 (permalink)
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    MACR 0189A:- T/O Great Ashfield, assigned P/T was the Focke Wulf assembly plant at Oschersleben, Germany. Crippled by fighters on return from target and crashed near Herford. 10 miles north-east of Bielefeld, Germany. The four killed were buried in Herford Cemetery, others b/o or were thrown clear when a/c exploded. 4 KIA 6 POW.

    may be the crew list:

    P 2Lt Herman M Gurgel, KIA
    CP 2Lt Jacob Silverstein, KIA
    N 2Lt Paul L Fauerso, POW
    B 2Lt John W Hendricks, POW
    E T/Sgt Frank J Bartnicki, POW
    RO S/Sgt Leo Danahue, POW
    BTG S/Sgt James T Holley, KIA
    WG S/Sgt George W Dainton, POW
    WG S/Sgt George L Krzyzak, POW
    TG S/Sgt Richard L Gaston, KIA

    shot down by:
    Ofw. Kampmeier, Ein.St. Focke-Wulf, HS-HT: 7.500 m. ,Herford-Hameln, 10.25 Uhr und
    Oblt. Harry Koch, 6./JG 1, HS-6: 5.000 m. Herford, 10.28 Uhr.

    I am also looking at the cementry list herford, but not found yet.


    thats what I have.

    mfg
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 15:56:58 (permalink)
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    This from the 351 BG site :
     
    42-29858
    Originally called Murder Incorporated. However after the Germans used the photo of Lt. Kenneth Williams, wearing an A2 jacket with Murder Incorporated painted on it, for propaganda purposes. 8th AF Command forbade any contentious aircraft names. Consequently this a/c became "Censored".
    June 28 1943 until Aug. 27 1943 with 447th Sub-Depot for battle damage repairs.
    Sep. 3 1943 landed at Debden. Pilot Lt. Joseph S. Peck.
    Sep. 15 1943 landed at Wesst Malling. Pilot Lt. Jack P. Kern.
    Oct. 4 1943 landed at Framlingham. Pilot Lt. Leslie S. Cruthirds.
    Dec. 1 1943 landed at Lakenheath . Pilot Lt. George A. Songer.
    Dec. 31 1943 landed at Hurn. Pilot Lt. Richard J. Roper.
    Jan. 11 1944 landed at Bungay. Pilot Lt. Lawrence H. Blaisdell.
    Feb. 21 1944 lost an engine on take-off. Crash-landed and burned half mile east of Oundle. Pilot Lt. Howard R. Evans.

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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 16:57:45 (permalink)
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    Bits and Pieces lists 3 names
    # 42 - 30179 C 
    385th BG , 550th Sq.
    " Grim Reaper "
    " Murder Inc. "
    " Murder Incorporated "
    Lost 7/28/43
    MACR # 189A
    Contact 385th BG Historian Bill Varnedoe
    billvar@comcast.net
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/09/28 18:01:51 (permalink)
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    thx for all informations.
     
    I found this:
     
    nickname "The Grim Reaper" Boeing B-17F-10-BO Fortress 41-24467, 306BG, 368BS, BO-?, 3 KIA, 8 POW,
    MACR 15525.
    shot down on 17.04.1943 in Aurich-Oldendorf.
     
     
     
    mfg
    uwe

     
     
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/10/01 13:01:21 (permalink)
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    Hendricks graduated from bombardier school at Roswell, New Mexico.  Class 42-17.
     
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/10/12 17:22:41 (permalink)
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    thx for informations.
     
    I am still searching the CODE of the plane !!!
     
     
    grüsse
     
    uwe
     
     
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2007/10/12 17:33:07 (permalink)
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    Uwe,

    Please clarify what 'CODE' you are searching for.  Squadron code was SG, radio code was C.  Bits & Pieces advises that squadron codes were assigned but were not displayed.

    Hal
    post edited by LUCKY PARTNERS - 2007/10/12 18:10:38
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    Re: RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2009/08/14 10:48:24 (permalink)
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    Hello,
    I have read somewhere rim Reaper also under the name Blasted Event was called. However, I do not know whether this is right.
    Greeting
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    Re:28.07.1943 B-17 2012/10/28 01:34:25 (permalink)
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    I am the daughter of Paul Leo Fauerso who was the navigator on this plane.  I have not been on this site since 2004.  I am hoping to go to a special event March 24th, 2013 at the POW museum in Zagan, Poland.  My father's portrait is one of the portraits drawn in Kriegie Life by Carl Holmstrom.  Carl's family is donating pictures for the museum event.  You can see the information about Carl's book at Kriegie Life website.  I have started a blog about my father at www.honoringpaulleofauerso.  If there is any new data about this plane or anything new in Germany, please let me know.
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    RE: 28.07.1943 B-17 2012/10/28 01:36:51 (permalink)
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    Do you know who the man is in the picture in The Mighty Eighth?
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