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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/05/2007 04:55:39 PM
There are two relevant entries:

Jan 1st 1944

The boys left for Tawara (spelling?) to stage another raid on Wotge. With a bright moon like they have tonight the Japs will probably lose no time in raiding Betio island again.

Jan 2nd

Reports of the raid are disheartening. Davis and MacArthur reported missing - That means that Lauer, Meek, Clarke, Kamen, Busick & Dremen won't be with us any longer.

Lundy was badly shot up and had to land at Makin Island. We are losing all of our top men and all due to no fighter escort. We won't be around much longer if they don't help us.


Hope that provides some insight.

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/05/2007 05:22:13 PM
Hi Jake -

Thanks for taking the time to post from your grandfather's diary.  That adds interesting context as he names all the officers on both downed crews, so must have been familiar with them and their assignments. 

When I began looking into my uncle's death I was surprised to find fighter escorts did not accompany the bombers.  I then read it was not possible because of the distances flown on the raids.  However, your grandfather may have known an aircraft carrier could be assigned for support?

Patrick
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/05/2007 07:17:41 PM


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Hi Jake -

Thanks for taking the time to post from your grandfather's diary. That adds interesting context as he names all the officers on both downed crews, so must have been familiar with them and their assignments.

When I began looking into my uncle's death I was surprised to find fighter escorts did not accompany the bombers. I then read it was not possible because of the distances flown on the raids. However, your grandfather may have known an aircraft carrier could be assigned for support?

Patrick



Patrick - I read subsequent entries in his diary and found no mention of a possible aircraft carrier in the area. I'm sure distances prohibited air cover however I am equally sure that the crews didn't know the situation at the time well enough so his diary is probably just reflective of the frustrations felt at the time.

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/15/2007 08:25:56 PM
MACR 1786 arrived today and it has a statement by Al Miller that partially agrees with his report in the 11th bomb group book.  Since his statement for the MACR report was filed on 5 Jan 1944, only two days after the incident, it is likely more accurate than his recollections in the book?  There is one main discrepancy.  In the book he said he witnessed the MacArthur plane explode.  In the MACR he and the other quoted witness both say they lost sight of MacArthur's plane.

The other information provided in the report is the last known location:   Last seen: 6 deg 55 Min North and 171 deg 23 Min East.  The time was 0135 Z, 3 Jan 1944.  A handwritten comment on the MACR adjacent to the date of loss notes,  “international date line, Jan 2 O.K.”
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Missing Air Crew Report #1786, 5 Jan 1944 Statement of 2nd Lt. Alexander J. Miller, 0804021  (co-pilot)
 
Left the target flying on Lt MacArthur's left wing.  His airplane seamed OK.  We had several passes made on us by about 12 Zeros then they dropped about ten phosphorus bombs which exploded right in amongst the formation. Ship #155 being on the right wing. No apparent damage suffered by any of the ships. About 15 minutes away from the target saw a. 20 mm shell enter Lt MacArthur's ship about a foot forward of the left waist window from above and forward or a 10 or 11 o'clock pass.  Saw shall explode in waist, which evidently knocked out both waist gunners and the tail gunner as no one fired any of the guns from then on.  Shortly after this saw a fire start in the waist with flames visible through waist window.  Called Lt MacArthur's ship on interplane frequency and after a few minutes someone came from forward part of airplane with fire extinguisher and put fire out.  Throwing out of left waist window a burning parachute and what appeared to be pieces of burning flying suit.  Stayed in close formation to offer Lt MacArthur's ship full coverage but had difficulty as Lt MacArthur had put down about 20° flaps to stay behind flight of 5 ships directly ahead of us.  Our hydraulic system having been shot out we could get no flaps down.  Some time after this our ship went into a sharp dive to the right out of control and by the time we regained control Lt MacArthur's ship was out of sight.  When last seen his airplane appeared in good shape, except number 2 engine seemed to be losing rpm.  We having lost flight proceeded to staging base.
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Missing Air Crew Report #1786, 5 Jan 1944 Statement of 2nd Lt. Loren F. Crowell, 0742138  (pilot)

Upon leaving the target I was flying Lt MacArthur's left wing.  A few minutes after his ship was hit between number 2 engine and the fuselage and was hit in the left waist with an explosive shell.  A fire started in the waist of his ship and the co-pilot called him on interplane frequency and the fire was put out.  Also, several items were thrown out the waist window.  After the last pass by enemy planes my controls were jammed and I was forced to leave the formation.  At the time Lt MacArthur's ship was on all four engines with no smoke or fire visible.  From this point on our ship came home alone.

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/15/2007 08:46:32 PM
The other info from MACR 1786 was the full crew list.  In a previous post I'd left out a crew member.  The corrected list is below:

Name                                        Rank        Ser No       State   
BLACK HOWARD L                      CAPT      O-789293      LA   Observer
BOLAND GORDON W                   SSGT     36334126      IL   Gunner
BUSICK CHARLES I                     1LT       O-733602      MI   Co-Pilot
DRENAN JOHN M                        1LT        O-725418      CO   Bombardier
FITZPATRICK PATRICK B            TSGT      38157175      TX   Radio Operator
FOREMAN CUSTUS L                  SSGT      38175837      AR   Asst Engineer
HOUSE JACK O                          TSGT      18062308      TX   Engineer
HOVEY EDWIN J                        PVT        32394942      NY   Gunner
KAMEN THEODORE J                   1LT        O-792476       NY   Navigator
MACARTHUR DONALD L               CAPT      O-725756      CA   Pilot
JORGENSON, DONALD S              SSGT      20709047      MN   Asst Radio Op
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 12/17/2007 11:13:46 AM
Here is more information on this mission and the loss of Lt Davis' plane from MACR 1785.  Air Force historical records sent a partial copy of MACR 1785 to support MACR 1786.  Also I drew a picture of the formation based on the various reports to help me better comprehend the situation.

Missing Air Crew Report MACR #1785
Statement of Captain John R Risher, 0790879, witness of crash of airplane #42-73026, 2 January 1944

1st Lt James R Davis was flying the number 2 position of our flight in an attack on Maloelap Atoll on 2 January 1944.  After making our bombing run at 17,000 feet to the South over the target we turned off to the East and then to the south again.  Just after leaving the target we were attacked by enemy fighters and Lt Davis’s ship sustained hits.  Lt Davis called our ship on the radio (VHF) and stated that he had two gas tanks on fire and for us to follow him down and throw him life rafts.  We joined Lt Davis on the right wing, and Perry, who was flying the number 3 position, joined his left wing to cover him on the way down.  A fire was observed on Lt Davis's right wing on the leading edge between number 3 and 4 engines, both on top and below the wing.  We ask Lt Davis to make a turn to the left to keep in line with the balance of the squadron formation and he answered that "I’m turning all I can now”, which may or may not have meant that his controls were damaged.  We suggested that Lt Davis lose altitude to go below an overcast that extended several miles ahead of us with tops around 5000 feet and base around 3000 feet with scattered cumulus clouds below.  Lt Davis headed for the cloud coverage and entered the overcast at around 200 mph indicated.  We followed him through the overcast and broke through around 3000 feet.  Upon breaking through the overcast we called to Lt Davis to level off at that altitude.  He attempted to level out but suddenly went into a steep turn to the right which necessitated our making a steep climbing turn to the right as he passed below us to keep from colliding.  We continued our turn but were unable to locate Lt Davis's ship so started a turn to the left at the same time losing altitude rapidly.  Our turn took approximately 20 to 30 seconds and in the course of the turn we heard Lt Davis’s voice on the radio call: “Bail out”.  As soon as we had dropped below the cumulus clouds and completed our circling turn we sighted a fire on the water where we assumed that Lt Davis's ship had gone in.  The fire apparently was burning gas and oil and covered a large circular area approximately 75 to 100 feet in diameter.  We circled the area but were unable to observe anything but the fire in the area.  This area was located approximately 30 miles north of Majuro Atoll at the approximate position of 7° 45 Min North and 171° 10 Min East.  The time was 2340 Z.


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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 01/02/2008 11:23:57 PM
With the help of Penny LeGrand I was able to locate Don MacArthur's widow.  She remarried and is now in a managed care home with no detailed memory of her first husband.  She put me in touch with her son who has found a few crew and plane photos (attached here and already submitted to B24bestweb).
MacArthur and crew were not flying SATAN’S KITE when they were lost.  There is a good explanation for the change of plane from SATAN’S KITE.  MacArthur and crew were experienced and SATAN’S KITE was retired either due to age or damage - the crew was assigned a new plane.  The info on B24bestweb indicates plane #42- 72962, the plane they were flying when lost, was the next-to-last B-24D built at San Diego and was delivered 24 August 1943.  So the crew photos with SATAN’S KITE would have been taken before then.   According to OzBob there was another plane, B-24 #42-40079, nick-name SATANS KITE II  that survived the war.  I don’t know the relationship between SATAN’S KITE and SATANS KITE II.

In the photo below, (L-R)
    Capt. Donald J. MacArthur - Pilot
    1st Lt. Charles I. Busick - Co-pilot
    1st Lt. Theodore J. Kamen - Navigator
    1st Lt. John M. (Jack) Drenan - Bombardier
with B-24 SATAN'S KITE. 

I don't have any other info on the plane.


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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 01/02/2008 11:27:59 PM
B24 SATAN'S KITE
I have no other info on this plane.  The photo has already been submitted to B24bestweb.

Standing (L-R)
   
1st Lt. John M. (Jack) Drenan - Bombardier
    1st Lt. Charles I. Busick  - Co-pilot
    1st Lt. Theodore J. Kamen - Navigator
Kneeling
    Capt. Donald J. MacArthur - Pilot


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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 01/05/2008 08:44:06 AM
Thanks, Patrick
 
Added your PICs & info for...
 
SATAN'S KITE (still need S/N)...
http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-S-SATANS_K-SATANS_L.htm
 
VULNERABLE VIRGIN...
http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-V-VU-VZ.htm
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 01/14/2008 11:22:18 PM
Attached in the first of  two photos.  These came from Penny LeGrand, whose father,  Charles (Hoppy ) Hopkins was a pilot in the 98th BS of the 11th BG and was lost on a mission to Wotje just a few weeks later than Don and my uncle.  Penny's mom apparently lived with Shirley MacArthur at one time (in Los Angeles, I think she said).

1. (L-R)   
Shirley & Donald J. MacArthur - Pilot

John M. (Jack) Drenan - Bombardier
Dorothy & Keane McGee

Penny wrote:
These were taken in Topeka, KS in January of '43 where your uncle's group and my dad's group were stationed before they all went to Hawaii.  I'm not sure who Dorothy and Keane McGee are other than friends.

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 01/14/2008 11:26:22 PM
2.  (L-R)
  Theodore J. Kamen - Navigator
  Donald J. MacArthur - Pilot
  John M. (Jack) Drenan - Bombardier
  Dorothy & Keane McGee

About Keane McGee:
From records available on Ancestry.com (World War II Prisoners of War, 1941-1946)
Name:     Keane B McGee
Residence State:     Idaho
Report Date:     11 Apr 1943
Army Air Corps, Bombardment, Heavy
Served:     North African Theatre
Detaining Country:     Germany
Camp:     033
Status:     Returned to Military Control, Liberated or Repatriated

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 03/12/2008 11:06:59 PM
A Freedom of Information Act request for my uncle's Individual Deceased Personnel File (IDPF) submitted some time ago has finally paid off.  A package containing 75 pages (including a number of duplicate pages) arrived today.  It contains only a small amount of new information.

There is a 'Casualty Branch - Status Review and Determination Section' document included and identified as S. R. & D. No. 1324.  That document has a quote from a letter my grandfather sent to Senator Scott Lucas of Illinois in which my grandfather mentions the name of my uncle's plane at the time of his loss as Satan's Kite II.  That is in conflict with the data now available on the internet that documents that  Satan's Kite II survived the war.  So the name of B24 #42-72962 is still unknown.  My guess is that MacArthur and crew flew Satan's Kite II and then received a new plane that was named Satan's Kite.

Also from the S. R. & D. :

The Secret Chronology of World War II compiled and published by the Military Intelligence Division of the War Department, shows that on 3 January 1944:

"From 22 B-24's scheduled to strike Wotje [located approximately 190 miles north and slightly west of place where aircraft 42-72962 was last reported] only 5 reach target and drop 15 tons of bombs: clouds obscure result: 8 of 30 intercepting Zeros destroyed and 5 more probably.  Of the remaining B-24's, 9 hit Taroa, Maloelap Atoll, with 27 tons of bombs with some success; interception made by 30 Zeros, of which 2 are downed and 2 probably as against 3 B-24's lost. * * *"

From the same source, it is known that the Marshall Islands were wholly under Japanese control at the time the subject personnel disappeared and that the first landing by American troups in these islands was not made until 1 February 1944, when a landing was effected on the islands of the Kwajalein Atoll.


The brackets above [ ] seem to indicate information inserted by the authors of the
S. R. & D.  The third plane mentioned lost must be 'Lil Hiawatha' as described by Al Miller in the book 11th Bomb Group (H) - The Grey Geese, p.54-55.  Miller writes that the plane was severely damaged by enemy fire and was scrapped after landing.
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 03/21/2008 05:41:20 PM
I found a link to a post on another site that mentions 3 POWs taken to Kwajalein around 2 Jan 1944 that were supposedly not from the St. Quentin Quail.  That post mentions the Kaiun Maru as the Japanese ship carrying the POWs.  That ship was sunk 20 March 1944: "U.S. aircraft sink Japanese guardboats Kaiun Maru and No.2 Taiho Maru off southern tip of Rabaul."
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 03/24/2008 12:24:01 PM
Hi Jessee - thanks for the clarification.  That explains why there was some confusion over 42-73029 and 42-72962.  It still isn't clear how SATAN'S KITE fits in the mix, as the only pictures of MacArthur and crew are with SATAN'S KITE - serial number unknown.  Apparently the crew was together for quite a time and SATAN'S KITE may have been an earlier assignment?

Do you have any insight into the fate of MacArthur's plane and crew on that day?  MACR 1786 reports the plane was last seen in fair shape, while Harvey Lundy's diary (excerpt in '11th Bomb Group (H) the Grey Geese') reports "MacArthur blew up in mid-air".  In the same book Al Miller recounts in detail the mid-air explosion.  However, in Al Miller's account in the MACR it was he who stated the plane was last seen flying in fair condition.  Harvey Lundy did not provide an account for the MACR.

Thanks again for the info.
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 03/26/2008 05:03:11 PM
Thank you for checking and I agree the quotes seem like red herrings.  The quotes from both Al Miller and Harvey Lundy are from the book 11th Bomb Group (H) - The Grey Geese, pg.55 & 65.   I haven't seen Grey Geese Calling yet as it is ~$250 per copy and I'm too cheap to buy it.  I spoke with Harvey Lundy by phone a few days ago and he said he did not see MacArthur's aircraft explode and so the entry in his diary, "MacArthur blew up in midair", was not first-hand knowledge.  As Al Miller provided two different accounts (one in the MACR and one in the book 11th Bomb Group (H), 30 years later), it makes sense to put more faith in the report made the day after the event.  Harvey has referred me to Tom Perry, another pilot in that formation, and I'll follow up with him.
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 05/12/2008 02:51:46 PM
Hi- my uncle theodore J Kamen was your uncle's crew's navigator- my brother told me about this site-  This past weekend I located some photos of  satan's kite w/crew as well as some of our uncle's in Hawaii I'm going to try to photo them with my digital camera then I'll email you copies once I figure it out-(that may take a while)
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 05/12/2008 03:16:55 PM
Hi TJ,

Thank you for making the effort! I've had really good luck using a digital camera for copying photos when a scanner was not available.  I'm looking forward to seeing your pictures.  If you e-mail me the photos I will be happy to post them here or you can post them here yourself.

There is still a question as to the aircraft serial number for Satan's Kite so it would be a big help to those researchers who are interested if you have any photo or record that shows this info.

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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 05/13/2008 06:41:50 AM
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RE: 11BG(H)/431st - Jack Drenan, Satan's Kite - 05/13/2008 05:12:24 PM
Hi Patrick-
Two of the pictures I have  of the planes are dated from Oahu on the back - The firstdated March 1943 was the original Satan's Kite lost at sea by another crew on 3/28/43- The other is Satan's Kite II dated 4/18/43 it has the whole crew  and their names and loc on back. I'll be sure to photo both front and rear of all that I send you- hopefully I'll get them done this w/e-
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